Thread: Is homophobia a choice?

Originally Posted by smurf

No, I specifically chose young teens (14 years old) for my example.

I'm just not well versed in knowing where the point is where pedophilia stops being such and becomes statutory rape (if thats the correct transition of terms?)

Originally Posted by Disillusioned_1

I'm just not well versed in knowing where the point is where pedophilia stops being such and becomes statutory rape (if thats the correct transition of terms?)

18 at the age of consent. some states its 17 or even 16 but for sure at 18 when youre an adult. before that its ALWAYS statutory rape, even if she's yelling "yeah give me your big penis inside me o baby o baby".
Otherwise technically youre a rapist. As they say "15 will get you 20"

Originally Posted by Cari

Would you say that thinking homosexual marriage will erode the basic foundation of marriage is an unfounded fear?

No, it's like when the gave Obama the Nobel Prize..........now the NP is meaningless.

Originally Posted by Disillusioned_1

Based upon constitutional integrity, I would gladly march in a gay parade promoting equal rights for homosexuals, including gay marriage, even though I personally feel that my own participation in homosexuality would be disgusting.

How about wearing the costume?

Well I find one of my neighbors repulsive, she's about 350+, he's a reptilian 150. The thought of me having sex with either is disgusting. Hell, just the thought of her naked makes me wanna have a technicolor yawn.

But I would never restrict their right to marry, have sex, not have sex or wtf. Nor do I believe their relationship affects mine.

People aren't born with moral frameworks. You (and I) would find it morally repulsive to sit next to a serial rapist. This is a choice made within the context of our moral frameworks. In a lot of ancient societies, people would have had no repulsion to sitting next to such a person - they might even have had admiration.

Interesting idea. One of the most brutal things I can imagine in present times is "honor killings", I've wondered more than once if the DNA that is me could do such a thing. I know this is contrary to your post, but I don't think so.

Originally Posted by Fidei Defensor

How about wearing the costume?

No!

I'm also a weirdo, when I worked at Boeing, I was one of the few engineers who would go out and picket with the Machinist's Union at lunch .... since fundamentally the engineers tend to get the same benefits package as the IAM union. Boeing has an engineering union, but its pretty pathetic in terms of clout or teeth.

It felt pretty hypocritical to make those guys go 2 months without pay, standing out picketing every day so that a few months later I could enjoy the same benefits they fought for. People said shit when I came back after lunch, but fuck 'em they're the hypocrites, not me.

Originally Posted by bg85

good luck with assuming that everyone of a sexually mature age is trying to sexually abuse every 14 year old they see.

That is hardly my assumption. However, I would never risk the safety of one of my daughters by putting them in a situation where they could be taken advantage of by an adult, were that to be the adult's motive.

As an aside, you don't really have one or more teenage daughters, do you?

Originally Posted by Disillusioned_1

I'm just not well versed in knowing where the point is where pedophilia stops being such and becomes statutory rape (if thats the correct transition of terms?)

No problem.

Originally Posted by reality

18 at the age of consent. some states its 17 or even 16 but for sure at 18 when youre an adult. before that its ALWAYS statutory rape, even if she's yelling "yeah give me your big penis inside me o baby o baby".
Otherwise technically youre a rapist. As they say "15 will get you 20"

Technically, in many states it's not statutory rape if the boy is no more than a year or two older than the girl, if I recall correctly. For instance, I believe that it is not statutory rape in many states for two 15 year olds to have sex.

Originally Posted by Ace

Right or wrong, homophobe is a label that gets applied to not just to the Rev. Phelps of the world, but also pretty much anyone that openly admits to being repulsed by homosexuality. With respect to the latter, is such a repulsion a choice, or is it just how these people were born?

thoughts?

Phobia means fear. A phobia is an extreme irrational fear. That being said, I ain't skeerd o' nuttin!


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Originally Posted by smurf

That is hardly my assumption. However, I would never risk the safety of one of my daughters by putting them in a situation where they could be taken advantage of by an adult, were that to be the adult's motive.

aren't you putting your daughter at risk every time you allow her to step foot outside of your house?

you still have yet to provide any reason why a gay scoutmaster is any less trustworthy with your child as a straight scoutmaster. not one.

It's an interesting question. If we want to be really exact then free will is essentially an illusion since any given action is conditioned by our genetics and memories. So nothing is really a choice.

But, that's not really a useful paradigm for discussion so instead I would examine the difference between behaviors that are more based in genetics and behaviors that are more based in learning and experience. I would say that homosexuality is more genetic and homophobia is more based in experience.

Originally Posted by snowden

It's an interesting question. If we want to be really exact then free will is essentially an illusion since any given action is conditioned by our genetics and memories. So nothing is really a choice.

But, that's not really a useful paradigm for discussion so instead I would examine the difference between behaviors that are more based in genetics and behaviors that are more based in learning and experience. I would say that homosexuality is more genetic and homophobia is more based in experience.

What sort of experience turns someone who otherwise wouldn't be, into a homophobe?