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    Re: A "fix" for homosexuality

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    Natural law can be seen as law that correlates with human norms. You know, like a man and a woman making a couple. Guided by the morality of the caretakers.
    I would take "human norms" would mean the norms that have always existed amongst the entire human population. Given that homosexuality has existed since the first humans, I would say that this is a norm. It becomes "not normal" when religious morality and human law comes into play. Need I remind you that it used to be considered anti-norm and immoral for a white person to have sex with a black person. Just because YOU don't like homosexuals doesn't mean it's not natural. I don't like obese, unemployed trailer-trash who frequent Jerry Springer's stage, but I can't deny their existence, or their right to exist.

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    If society paid heed to the religious commandmants on morality et al, it would be a much better place.

    As for black/white, I choose not to date outside my race. But doing so is not immoral, we are all humans. But 2 guys, that is disgusting and destroyed the people of Lot.

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    Re: A "fix" for homosexuality

    Quote Originally Posted by ukdude84 View Post
    If society paid heed to the religious commandmants on morality et al, it would be a much better place.

    As for black/white, I choose not to date outside my race. But doing so is not immoral, we are all humans. But 2 guys, that is disgusting and destroyed the people of Lot.
    How about if society kept their nose out of the bedrooms of consenting adults? I think the world would be much better off then. I find it interesting that you raise the issue of morality, and the destruction of Lot. Lot was not destroyed because of homosexuality (although many Christian fundamentalists with a limited understanding of The Bible would love to think that). Lot was destroyed because Lot, Abraham's nephew, married outside of the Church (The Bible forbids Israelites from marrying outside of the religion), did not encourage circumcision, encouraged the marrying of relatives to maintain racial (or religious) purity (Genesis 24 3-4; 28:1) ... but most serious of all, they did not worship God. Lot was not destroyed because of homosexuality. Still, if you want to bring The Bible into the discussion, I'm happy to embrace that path. Why then do you choose to invoke religious sentiment and The Bible solely on the issue of homosexuality? Do you feel the same way about extra-marital affairs as you do about homosexuality? The former is actually considered far more serious in The Bible than the latter by virtue of the fact that it is one of the 10 sins.

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    I referenced religion only to highlight that traditionally cake boyism was considered wrong. Do you disagree?

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    Re: A "fix" for homosexuality

    Quote Originally Posted by ukdude84 View Post
    I referenced religion only to highlight that traditionally cake boyism was considered wrong. Do you disagree?
    I'm not sure what you mean? cake boyism?

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    You know, the acts of those sick people who support.

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    Re: A "fix" for homosexuality

    Quote Originally Posted by ukdude84 View Post
    You know, the acts of those sick people who support.
    You aren't being clear in what you're trying to say, but I assume from reading between the lines that you're talking about "cake boyism" meaning homosexuals, or those who support it.

    Let me put it to you this way. I am a gay man. I have been gay all my life. I am not sick. I am not a pedophile. I am not a sexual deviate. I do not spend my time criticising heterosexuals for engaging in unsavoury sexual practices. My family and friends "support" me because they love me, not because they're sick. It's not even "support" as such, as there's nothing to support. The just love me for me, and my sexuality is a non-issue, as it should be.

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    Re: A "fix" for homosexuality

    Quote Originally Posted by ukdude84 View Post
    If society paid heed to the religious commandmants on morality et al, it would be a much better place.

    As for black/white, I choose not to date outside my race. But doing so is not immoral, we are all humans. But 2 guys, that is disgusting and destroyed the people of Lot.
    Which commandment are you addressing specifically, and which religion?

    I know there are verses in a few religions, but there are verses in religions that place the punishment of rape at 30 pieces of silver to the father of the victim.

    Homosexuality has been condemned religiously all over the place, never seen a moral opposition though,
    To a man who of himself makes a worm, hath no means to curse of when he is trodden.
    -Immanuel Kant

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    Re: A "fix" for homosexuality

    Quote Originally Posted by noahath View Post
    You aren't being clear in what you're trying to say, but I assume from reading between the lines that you're talking about "cake boyism" meaning homosexuals, or those who support it.

    Let me put it to you this way. I am a gay man. I have been gay all my life. I am not sick. I am not a pedophile. I am not a sexual deviate. I do not spend my time criticising heterosexuals for engaging in unsavoury sexual practices. My family and friends "support" me because they love me, not because they're sick. It's not even "support" as such, as there's nothing to support. The just love me for me, and my sexuality is a non-issue, as it should be.
    If they accept you, that is good. If I had a family member as such, I'd disown him. Dishonoring the family is not a light matter. Maybe the working classes have forgotten about honor.

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    Re: A "fix" for homosexuality

    Quote Originally Posted by ukdude84 View Post
    If they accept you, that is good. If I had a family member as such, I'd disown him. Dishonoring the family is not a light matter. Maybe the working classes have forgotten about honor.
    Like the honor that it takes to admit that you've done something wrong and apologize appropriately when you've insulted another?

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    Whom?

    You cannot compare a horse and a donkey, nor assume them equal. Depending on who I have insulted, I'll consider an apology. Much of the people I see are like dirt of my shoes, I have no time for their feelings. Peasants.

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    Re: A "fix" for homosexuality

    Quote Originally Posted by Lesser Known View Post
    Homosexuality has been condemned religiously all over the place, never seen a moral opposition though,
    Then you are blind.
    "No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles."
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    Re: A "fix" for homosexuality

    Quote Originally Posted by pramjockey View Post
    Like the honor that it takes to admit that you've done something wrong and apologize appropriately when you've insulted another?
    LOL, Nice try at escaping moral condemnation. Today's political correctness considers offense/insult as morally equivalent to crimes against humanity, which is what acts of homosexuality are.
    "No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles."
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    Re: A "fix" for homosexuality

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnLocke View Post
    Then you are blind.
    Example?
    To a man who of himself makes a worm, hath no means to curse of when he is trodden.
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    Re: A "fix" for homosexuality

    Quote Originally Posted by ukdude84 View Post
    Whom?

    You cannot compare a horse and a donkey, nor assume them equal. Depending on who I have insulted, I'll consider an apology. Much of the people I see are like dirt of my shoes, I have no time for their feelings. Peasants.

    Ah, so you're completely without honor.


    Not unexpected.

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