Thread: Gay Marriage - a possible solution for all sides

My god. At the end of it all it comes down to just accepting people for who they are and not employing draconian discrimination upon gay people for the crime of being different than someone else. There really is no argument against gay marriage beyond some fevered writings in a bronze age text. Some pretend to something beyond that, but most of us arent fooled.

Originally Posted by AdamKadmon

Actually, this is something conservatives should agree with. After all, they don't want the government meddling in our private affairs (no pun intended) or engaging in social engineering. So why should the federal government be in the business of promoting marriage through the tax code at all?

You forget. . ."it would be a tax increase on married HETEROSEXUAL couples!"

But, personally, if gay people can't get the same benefits as straight people, I think straight people should not get them either.

And. . .I am married to a man!

Originally Posted by Sadanie

You forget. . ."it would be a tax increase on married HETEROSEXUAL couples!"

But, personally, if gay people can't get the same benefits as straight people, I think straight people should not get them either.

And. . .I am married to a man!

The good news is that same-sex marriage is an inevitability; the bigots who are against it are not only on the wrong side of history, they are an ever-dwindling minority.

Originally Posted by AdamKadmon

The good news is that same-sex marriage is an inevitability; the bigots who are against it are not only on the wrong side of history, they are an ever-dwindling minority.

YES! Nothing will stop progress. I just hope equal rights for gay people comes before I die!

Originally Posted by Unique POV

There's quite a bit more to it than that, and if you've ever actually felt it; you already know that.

What science has found is that species that are more or less monogomous, like humans and many birds, have extra dopamine and vasopressin receptors. When we are in the presence of our lover; or even just thinking about our lover; our brain releases mass amounts of these chemicals. This is why when we are in the process of falling in love we have actual physical symptoms like uncontrollable happiness and "butterflies" in the stomach. The body becomes adjusted to these brain chemicals, and we actually become "addicted" to the higher levels that being in love provides us with. This is what causes us to miss a lover so much that it physically hurts. Biology designed us, and many other species, to be mostly monogomous.

Biology designed us and built each of us in a certain way for a certain purpose. Sure we were designed to be mostly monogamous, we were also physically designed to fit together in certain ways.

Arguing in support of "gay marriage" forces us to ignore or deny this biological fact in favor of our own wishes, wants and desires. As long as humans have existed they have taken part in and dreamed up things that weren't good for them ... tried to reason, rationalize and justify them.

Lets not even attempt to count the ways throughout history that these kinds of utopian dreams and ideas have led to something much different than what was hoped for.

It sounds good, but is it really good ?

Originally Posted by Unique POV

It's not about sex. Is your marriage based solely upon sex? If you could never have sex with your wife again, would you leave her? I know I wouldn't leave mine. I wouldn't even cheat on her. It's about the entire partner relationship, and really... isn't sex just a very small part of that when you look at the big picture? Some people are just entirely too hung up about sex, and entirely too concerned about what people do in the privacy of their own homes.

If it isn't about sex then form a business partnership and be happy. Have a civil union, pool your resources, work it out. What on earth would you want or need the govt. to get involved in your relationship for ? There is no reason to demand a redefinition of the Biblical definition of the word marriage.

Unless you're like some, who have this kind of attitude:

Originally Posted by sammy

........... There really is no argument against gay marriage beyond some fevered writings in a bronze age text. Some pretend to something beyond that, but most of us arent fooled.

This exposes the real reasons some are demanding the word. This isn't about "equal rights" or "equality" at ALL.


This is about a festering hatred for the religious values that allowed America to be created and come to power as the greatest nation the world has yet seen. This is about something completely different than fairness and equality for gay relationships. It's a great cover to use for this cultural war of ideas and ideals though and it's actually unfortunate that "gay causes" are being used as cover for it.

Captain Trips you are hillarious...

Any seventh grader who has ever had a boehner after watching men's basketball knows its not a flippin choice, its the way your good god/gods/saviours made them... Peace! ;-)



In case you didn't get my inherent sarcasm...

John Boehner is a dink...

Also, nobody who supports equal rights for gay people wants to diminish your religious values AT ALL!

They simply want to be able to put on the tax form that they are a married couple because yes, there are millions of those couples that have been living together in a same sex household for years and years in case you weren't aware. They just want to be recognized as being people that society doesn't treat like second class citizens with a different set of rules that apply. Whatever you think of homosexuality, at least recognize that there are good people who are gay, and who deserve the right to be able to put down on whatever forms they want that they are married...

Or did the equal protection clause not apply to them?

GO JUDICIARY SYSTEM!!!

Who am I talking to?

Originally Posted by .3dontVoteParty

Also, nobody who supports equal rights for gay people wants to diminish your religious values AT ALL!

They simply want to be able to put on the tax form that they are a married couple because yes, there are millions of those couples that have been living together in a same sex household for years and years in case you weren't aware. They just want to be recognized as being people that society doesn't treat like second class citizens with a different set of rules that apply. Whatever you think of homosexuality, at least recognize that there are good people who are gay, and who deserve the right to be able to put down on whatever forms they want that they are married...

Or did the equal protection clause not apply to them?

GO JUDICIARY SYSTEM!!!


Who am I talking to?

I don't know who you're talking to. . .but you're making a lot of sense!

Originally Posted by Captain Trips

Biology designed us and built each of us in a certain way for a certain purpose. Sure we were designed to be mostly monogamous, we were also physically designed to fit together in certain ways. Arguing in support of "gay marriage" forces us to ignore or deny this biological fact in favor of our own wishes, wants and desires.

Why are our wishes not worthy of consideration? Why does nature get elevated to some sort of "holy" status, that should not be denied? With virtually every species to have existed now extinct, nature seems as eager to destroy as it is to create. Modern medicine is a denial of nature, but I don't see that as a reason to ban it.

If it isn't about sex then form a business partnership and be happy. Have a civil union, pool your resources, work it out. What on earth would you want or need the govt. to get involved in your relationship for ? There is no reason to demand a redefinition of the Biblical definition of the word marriage.

Gays want the government involved because they want the same rights and protections that heterosexual couples enjoy. And it is telling that you want the government to protect a "biblical" understanding of marriage. Sorry, but that 'aint constitutional.

This exposes the real reasons some are demanding the word. This isn't about "equal rights" or "equality" at ALL.

It absolutely is. My disgust for horrible bronze age myths that serve as a justification for discrimination is not mutally exclusive with my desire for human rights. Human rights are being opposed on religious grounds...enough said.

This is about a festering hatred for the religious values that allowed America to be created and come to power as the greatest nation the world has yet seen.

Nah, my hatred is right in the open and fully formed. I hate religious excuses to deny sciencem, progress, and human rights. Feel free to exercise your religion in private, but leave the rest of us free to make our own choices. By the way, it was the enlightenment and english common law that largely informed the founding of this nation. Christianity played very little role in that.

Originally Posted by .3dontVoteParty

Also, nobody who supports equal rights for gay people wants to diminish your religious values AT ALL!

They simply want to be able to put on the tax form that they are a married couple because yes, there are millions of those couples that have been living together in a same sex household for years and years in case you weren't aware. They just want to be recognized as being people that society doesn't treat like second class citizens with a different set of rules that apply. Whatever you think of homosexuality, at least recognize that there are good people who are gay, and who deserve the right to be able to put down on whatever forms they want that they are married...

Or did the equal protection clause not apply to them?

GO JUDICIARY SYSTEM!!!

Who am I talking to?

No, they want the benefits. Even they came to admit this. At least be honest about the aim of this.

Originally Posted by daddio

No, they want the benefits. Even they came to admit this. At least be honest about the aim of this.

So what?

If this is a problem, let's take marriage benefits away from EVERYONE!

Originally Posted by Sadanie

So what?

If this is a problem, let's take marriage benefits away from EVERYONE!

I had not looked at it that way, that might be a good idea. Instead of elevating gay marriage to the benefit level of heterosexual marriage, level the playing field the other way and remove them for everyone. Kind of a by default way of removing government from being in the marriage business. I am assuming by "benefit" we are talking about in every possible way including any and all possible tax benefit as well?

Thoughts from the gallery?

Originally Posted by Sluggo

I had not looked at it that way, that might be a good idea. Instead of elevating gay marriage to the benefit level of heterosexual marriage, level the playing field the other way and remove them for everyone. Kind of a by default way of removing government from being in the marriage business. I am assuming by "benefit" we are talking about in every possible way including any and all possible tax benefit as well?

Thoughts from the gallery?

I've yet to see any government benefit in it for me.

I think it has more to do with getting a stamp of approval from society.