Thread: How much should public school teachers make?

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

*reads and re-reads Sunshine's scribe*

Sunshine me good friend,

imma not sure imma gettin' what ye be sayin'. one one hand, yer sayin' that teachin' cannot be about the money, and at the rate we're payin' teachers, i agree with ye.

ye say that it must be about the finished product...and i kinda agree with ye thar too. i mean, i believe to be really good at anythin', it helps a great deal to have passion fer the task at hand, aye?

ye also say that we need Phd's at grade 1, and i agree with ye here too.

so, be ye agreein' with me, or takin' issue with what i wrote?

- MeadHallPirate

Neither. Just expounding upon my subjective experience! LOL

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy Fishjoel,

imma glad to see yer writin' and therefore, i be assumin' yer in one piece o'er thar.

first, i think the average joe might not be quite so average if he'd had the best instructors money could buy.

second, the average joe might not be crushed, fer in me own vision 'o how our schools would operate...thar would be no music in school. no drama...no art...no gym...and most certainly no huge stadiums with football players runnin' round, aye, no sports - so i hath saved thee a bundle 'o monies already. (before anyone jumps down me gullet talkin' 'bout the virtue 'o sports, i competed at the NCAA level in swimmin', all i had were a set 'o free weights in me basement. pushups and situps be free, afterall). pramjockey would disagree with me on the music idear, and perhaps we could compromise on some 'o this.

third, imma not talkin' 'bout takin' sendin' me family to the shore...or buyin' a yacht...or gettin' a cable box with 200 channels on it, this be an investment in the future. we speak much 'o infrastructure here on USPO, well, i consider the academic well bein' 'o the next generation the most important infrastructure thar be.

fourth, i be meetin' ye halfway, matey. imma removin' tenure...and i'd do away with them teacher's unions, but i want somethin' in return to hedge me bets so we've excellence at the head 'o each class.

*salutes*

- MeadHallPirate

Whew! I don't see schools every giving up sports. When I was in high school, I worked in the office an hour every morning. One of my jobs was to help count the ballgame money. Sports bring in big bucks to the school. That is why, around here, even when school is canceled due to snow, the sports events are not canceled.

Teachers should be paid fairly for their

9 months of work!

Originally Posted by GeorgeLaw

Teachers should be paid fairly for their

9 months of work!

That is intellectually dishonest.

A teachers' day doesn't end when the final bell rings.

MOST teachers bring a fair amount of work home with them, every day.

The teachers I know of, put in 50-60 hours a week.

Originally Posted by KingNorthTX

That is intellectually dishonest.

A teachers' day doesn't end when the final bell rings.

MOST teachers bring a fair amount of work home with them, every day.

The teachers I know of, put in 50-60 hours a week.

Yes, 9 mos of it. What is wrong with fair pay?

I used to work 80 hr per week,, in my educational endevours

leading to a more fair pay!

Originally Posted by Ernie S.

So I guess the parents of the poor kids ought to motivate their kids to succeed so that their grandkids won't end up selling crack in the projects.
The location or the architecture of a school building is not terribly important. The teachers should be competent, but don't all need to be super stars. You can build the newest and best school and hire the finest teachers with the ultimate salaries, buy the latest texts and supply every possible technological innovation, but you can't buy motivation. Without a desire to learn, all the money in the world will make PhD's out of lazy students.

Yes, the parents should.

Unfortunately, the parents often aren't there. So, we as a society either say "eh, tough shit" and let yet another generation flounder in poverty to repeat the cycle, or we try to break it.

I vote for trying to break it.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Yes, the parents should.

Unfortunately, the parents often aren't there. So, we as a society either say "eh, tough shit" and let yet another generation flounder in poverty to repeat the cycle, or we try to break it.

I vote for trying to break it.

Ask Obama about his success in the South Side, of Chicago:rolleyes:

Murderers are very successful there!. Thank God for community

organizers!!!!

Originally Posted by GeorgeLaw

Yes, 9 mos of it. What is wrong with fair pay?

I used to work 80 hr per week,, in my educational endevours

leading to a more fair pay!

:rolleyes:

You're being dishonest (as usual).

If you're working a 60 hour week for 9 months out of the year - that averages out to the same number of hours as the average person puts in for a full year.

See why there should be parity?

Originally Posted by pramjockey

:rolleyes:

You're being dishonest (as usual).

If you're working a 60 hour week for 9 months out of the year - that averages out to the same number of hours as the average person puts in for a full year.

See why there should be parity?

What if NO ONE is your equal? Hypothetically.

Originally Posted by KingNorthTX

That is intellectually dishonest.

A teachers' day doesn't end when the final bell rings.

MOST teachers bring a fair amount of work home with them, every day.

The teachers I know of, put in 50-60 hours a week.

It's not intelectually dishonest because who doesn't work 50-60 hrs a week, at least?

Originally Posted by pramjockey

:rolleyes:

You're being dishonest (as usual).

If you're working a 60 hour week for 9 months out of the year - that averages out to the same number of hours as the average person puts in for a full year.

See why there should be parity?

I know a lot of teachers. NONE of them works a 60 hour week during school. And none of them spend much if any time working on getting ready for next year during most of their 3 month vacation.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Yes, the parents should.

Unfortunately, the parents often aren't there. So, we as a society either say "eh, tough shit" and let yet another generation flounder in poverty to repeat the cycle, or we try to break it.

I vote for trying to break it.

Breaking it involves the parents getting involved. Not inserting a weak substitute for them.

One of these days you'll figure out you can't do something for someone they don't value.

Originally Posted by 9aces

I know a lot of teachers. NONE of them works a 60 hour week during school. And none of them spend much if any time working on getting ready for next year during most of their 3 month vacation.

hail 9aces,

a question if i may...i have no idear how many teachers ye know on a professional basis and know well....3? 5? 7?

the reason i ask, be that the number 'o teachers in our land be legion, and be it not fair to say that yer teeny tiny samplin' be kind 'o an odd way fer ye to draw yer overreachin' conclusions?

at any rate, these teachers ye know...be they excellent teachers in yer own view? be they highly skilled and highly motivated professionals who give thar all in promotin' excellence in the classroom?

- MeadHallPirate

ps - by the way, i'd do away with the idear 'o summer break fer students. id have school 12 months a year fer our youngins.