Thread: Does it violate the ethics of war to waterboard captured American Soldiers? (title Edit)

Originally Posted by bluesman

waterboarding is in fact not torture

As parents know that teens not borrowing the car is not torture.

Originally Posted by John Drake

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Jessie Ventura was waterboarded as part of SEALs training. He's very emphatic that it's torture, that's good enough for me....

Too bad Webster's dictionary doesn't agree with that individual's opinion.

Originally Posted by JohnLocke

As parents know that teens not borrowing the car is not torture.

What a silly response. Please refrain from taking individual phrases from my post and display them out of context. I am done wastng time on you.

Originally Posted by bluesman

What a silly response. Please refrain from taking individual phrases from my post and display them out of context. I am done wastng time on you.

Out of context, right. This is like you to take words to mean whatever you want and from this Strawman attack your political opponents. This is why the reference to teens claiming not borrowing the car is not silly but precisely analogous. Then there is the pathetic attempt to democratize the truth or the meaning of words, e.g., most teens say not borrowing a car causes severe pain and is torture so therefore it is. Said differently, how is it not torture to a teen to not be able to borrow a car using your standard of water boarding being torture? Where is the line between torture and non-torture?

This entire thread has been about libs torture of the English language, misrepresenting reality of what torture is.

Right. That's why the US no longer tortures people in this way, nor do any other modern civilized countries. Why George Bush will likely never visit Europe ever again. Because it is us who are torturing the language as well as state, federal, and international law.

If we are entitled to kill people, we must be entitled to injure them. Attorney General John Yoo

I think we have heard enough. The waterboarding supporters do not consider waterboarding to be torture. Therefore if thier thinking is ever re-adopted as US policy, the enemies of America will not be out of bounds when they strap down captured American soldiers and waterboard them into submission. What they would be doing to American soldiers, according to the waterboarding apoligists, is not torture.

Again you're trying to misrepresent my argument, in two ways.

1. You have re-defined a term in the English language to suit your political view.
2. You ignore the fact that soldiers must be treated differently than terrorists.

Originally Posted by Damn Yankee

Again you're trying to misrepresent my argument, in two ways.

1. You have re-defined a term in the English language to suit your political view.
2. You ignore the fact that soldiers must be treated differently than terrorists.

I wasn't posting in response to you or representing your argument in anyway. I am just trying to un-muddy the waters here. Either waterboarding is torture or it is not toruture. It can't vary. If the view is that waterobarding is not torture, then we as Americans would not be able to say that one of our soldiers is being tortured if captured and waterboarded. It would just be a debate about if he in fact should or should not be "enhanced interrogated" or what ever non-torture term the waterboarding defenders want to use.

Originally Posted by bluesman

In the poll question asking "Does it violate the ethics of war to waterboard captured American Soldiers?", you answered "yes"

He was referring to the death penalty not being unethical.

Originally Posted by bluesman

I think we have heard enough. The waterboarding supporters do not consider waterboarding to be torture. Therefore if thier thinking is ever re-adopted as US policy, the enemies of America will not be out of bounds when they strap down captured American soldiers and waterboard them into submission. What they would be doing to American soldiers, according to the waterboarding apoligists, is not torture.

Have you seen what happens to captured American soldiers?

Waterboarding them would be comparative heaven.

Originally Posted by bluesman

I think we have heard enough. The waterboarding supporters do not consider waterboarding to be torture. Therefore if thier thinking is ever re-adopted as US policy, the enemies of America will not be out of bounds when they strap down captured American soldiers and waterboard them into submission. What they would be doing to American soldiers, according to the waterboarding apoligists, is not torture.

That is what really bothers those who have been tortured as POWs, such as John McCain.

It's funny how none of them think that waterboarding isn't torture...

Originally Posted by Formaldehyde

That is what really bothers those who have been tortured as POWs, such as John McCain.

It's funny how none of them think that waterboarding isn't torture...

If the ones who have actually been tortured do not think it is torture, there might be something to it.

Is waterboarding uncomfortable, scary and just generally something one does not want to experience? Sure. Torture? I don't think so. Even if it is, as long as we're just using it to get information out of people who want to harm Americans, I really don't think I care.