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    Quote Originally Posted by Wagner View Post
    I guess you're determined to ignore the "or can develop" part.
    I haven't ignored that at all. It was in response to michael's post and you appear to be missing the context.

    Regardless, the answer to your question is yes. Zygotes need a women but not necessarily any specific woman and I suppose it's scientifically possible to create artificial fallopian tubes, etc. Certain conditions undoubtedly have to be present but that's no different from any other living organism.
    If they need a woman then they obviously can't act or function independently in any conventional form of the word. And hell, I suppose it is possible to create those conditions, like a test tube baby. We already do in vitro fertilization, after all. But then, why does a sperm cell next to an egg cell not fit the definition of a living human organism? It might eventually develop into an adult human, just as a zygote might. So where does a sperm cell next to an egg cell not meet the latest posted definition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael h View Post
    Nope ... no me then a 5 year old might. Can would be the function word you are looking for. Your near combo cannot.
    Sperm/egg combos DO develop into adult humans. That's how human sexual reproduction generally works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slon View Post
    Sperm/egg combos DO develop into adult humans. That's how human sexual reproduction generally works.
    Zygotes do develop into humans ... Sperm / egg proximity cannot develop into a human. If your lucky your proximity ... might ... become a zygote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slon View Post
    I haven't ignored that at all. It was in response to michael's post and you appear to be missing the context.

    If they need a woman then they obviously can't act or function independently in any conventional form of the word. And hell, I suppose it is possible to create those conditions, like a test tube baby. We already do in vitro fertilization, after all. But then, why does a sperm cell next to an egg cell not fit the definition of a living human organism? It might eventually develop into an adult human, just as a zygote might. So where does a sperm cell next to an egg cell not meet the latest posted definition?
    No need to worry about creating anything ... its all a function of "can".
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    the magical "or can develop"
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    Quote Originally Posted by michael h View Post
    Zygotes do develop into humans ... Sperm / egg proximity cannot develop into a human. If your lucky your proximity ... might ... become a zygote.


    In other words, a sperm/egg "proximity" can develop into a zygote, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slon View Post
    In other words, a sperm/egg "proximity" can develop into a zygote, right?
    correct with fertilization. When your done leading it will still be might.
    Last edited by michael h; 04-22-2012 at 12:04 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michael h View Post
    correct with a fertilization. When your done leading it will still be might.
    Well since a sperm/egg "proximity" can develop into a zygote, and since a zygote can develop into an adult human, then a sperm/egg "proximity" can develop into an adult human.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slon View Post
    Well since a sperm/egg "proximity" can develop into a zygote, and since a zygote can develop into an adult human, then a sperm/egg "proximity" can develop into an adult human.
    A zygote is , proximity could. But I'm glad to see you actually understand what an organism is and are trying to rationally make your way around with word play.

    A human organism is already human life and can grow to adulthood. If you proximity "does fertilize" becoming a zygote it will be an organism and is human life. Can it? Yes ... Is it ... no.

    Just think you actually rationalized an attempt around what you "know" human life is. You already know and want inclusion of what you already know isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michael h View Post
    A zygote is , proximity could.
    Quoting you, an organism is a living thing that has (or can develop) the ability to act or function independently.

    Thus, this "proximity" you speak of is an organism. According to your definition.

    But I'm glad to see you actually understand what an organism is and are trying to rationally make your way around with word play.

    A human organism is already human life and can grow to adulthood. If you proximity "does fertilize" becoming a zygote it will be an organism and is human life. Can it? Yes ... Is it ... no.

    Just think you actually rationalized an attempt around what you "know" human life is. You already know and want inclusion of what you already know isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slon View Post
    Quoting you, an organism is a living thing that has (or can develop) the ability to act or function independently.

    Thus, this "proximity" you speak of is an organism. According to your definition.
    Nope it "isn't an organism that can. It is a possible combination that "if" made could. If could becomes did then it can. What is and what isn't. It's better to know you comprehend anyway. Maybe you can beat up on the other 3 definitions now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michael h View Post
    Nope it "isn't an organism that can. It is a possible combination that "if" made could. If could becomes did then it can. What is and what isn't. It's better to know you comprehend anyway. Maybe you can beat up on the other 3 definitions now.
    So what you're saying is that, if there is an "if" in place before a thing can become independent, then it is not yet an organism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slon View Post
    So what you're saying is that, if there is an "if" in place before a thing can become independent, then it is not yet an organism?
    It is the combination of the 2 cells to create 1 new cell ... The new cell is the genesis of can. I gottah crash but I'd like to beat up the other 3 definitions later and see if they try to meet the same criteria described in this definition. IOW continuity.

    I suppose we could try to come up with an on / off ... 0 1 if it was given some thought as I believe you like math. Not sure what to do for could ... maybe some nors ors nands ands
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    Quote Originally Posted by michael h View Post
    It is the combination of the 2 cells to create 1 new cell ... The new cell is the genesis of can. I gottah crash but I'd like to beat up the other 3 definitions later and see if they try to meet the same criteria described in this definition. IOW continuity.

    I suppose we could try to come up with an on / off ... 0 1 if it was given some thought as I believe you like math. Not sure what to do for could ... maybe some nors ors nands ands
    Is answering my question really so much worse than posting these inanities of yours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slon View Post
    Is answering my question really so much worse than posting these inanities of yours?
    Pretty sure I did. Logic and rational are the answer. "The new cell is the genesis of can "1"." Proximity can't "0". Can "yes" Can't "no" Can "on" Can't "off"

    Now how would you like to address could? Inputs of binary logic?
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