Thread: Equal Protection Under the Law.

Originally Posted by fishjoel

Currently, there are quite a few threads circling about covering the topic of homosexual marriage. I hear that homosexuals are being unfairly discriminated against by DOMA style legislation in various states. To double-down on this there have been some threads, in the recent past, covering things like voter ID laws or states laws aimed a illegal immigrants that unfairly discriminate against minorities. It is said that everyone, no matter who they are, should not be singled out in any manner and should be treated 100% equally by all laws.

Now, pretty much everyone of these threads are broken down party/ideological lines (with a few exceptions). You have Democrats/liberal leaning posters on one side and Republican/conservative views on the other. To me, many of the liberal posters' arguments are unfounded and based on strawman arguments. Conversely, I'm sure, the other side sees the conservatives' postings being based on beliefs that are either bigoted, antiquated, or both. Fine, I'll play your game, everyone get's protected equally 100% under the law.

Riddle me this batman/liberal posters.....

How do you justify your position of supporting progressive tax rates? What you're doing is singling out a certain class of people based on their socioeconomic status. If you really want equal protection then you would support a flat tax, for everyone. It doesn't matter if you're living under the poverty line or not, equal is equal. If there can be laws that discriminate in this case than why not others?

I'll standby and await some kind of justification.

Late to the game here ... I missed this one.

You have a market targeted to move wealth to upper incomes. Its effective at moving that income. The middle class is already taxed with lower pay and compensation as a result of policies shifting wealth. As our market is only so productive ... you tax where the wealth has shifted to.

Originally Posted by JohnLocke

Except you want to force the State into this legal contract even though there is not the benefit to them like there is in traditional, normal, legal heterosexual marriage.

Why does government exist? What is the benefit of a "normal" marriage ... additional social costs from children?

Originally Posted by michael h

Why does government exist? What is the benefit of a "normal" marriage ... additional social costs from children?

I have answered these questions many, many times. Government exists to help us protect our property and property rights NOT to transfer wealth from one group to another, which is what gay marriage is a form of.

The benefit to the State for marriage is, since the time of Augustus Caesar, to produce the next generation of citizens. I'm not sure what you mean about additional social costs of children but I suggest we stop all forms of socialism and in the meantime not expand it under any pretext whatsoever.

As far as the cost of living, despite the high cost, it remains very popular.

Originally Posted by JohnLocke

I have answered these questions many, many times. Government exists to help us protect our property and property rights NOT to transfer wealth from one group to another, which is what gay marriage is a form of.

The benefit to the State for marriage is, since the time of Augustus Caesar, to produce the next generation of citizens. I'm not sure what you mean about additional social costs of children but I suggest we stop all forms of socialism and in the meantime not expand it under any pretext whatsoever.

As far as the cost of living, despite the high cost, it remains very popular.

A socially borne cost upon society ... children, popular even. A cost to gays ... who generally don't have children. Yet marriage which IS a transfer of wealth ... is acceptable for hetero's and their additional costs of children. Sounds a lot like hypocrisy to me. Sounds like gays paying for a popular choice and having their property rights stolen ... without the benefits of marriage themselves.

Originally Posted by Unique POV

No. I knew I was a lesbian at a pretty young age, but I have a conservative family and had a lot of fear of being ostracized (I would imagine that if you had gay children... they would likely suffer the exact same fear) so I did the best I could to live the life that I thought was expected of me. But as I became older and wiser, I realized I could never be happy unless I was true to myself. The sad/happy irony is that not one member of my family has not welcomed my wife with complete open arms.

Interesting that you would attack me like this. I have a niece that has decided to be gay and I haven't ostracized her.

Originally Posted by Damn Yankee

Interesting that you would attack me like this. I have a niece that has decided to be gay and I haven't ostracized her.

As is typical, many homosexuals seem to believe if you do not enthusiastically support their desires, you must be anti-gay....

Same kind of stupidity as calling a person a racist for thinking Obama is a fucking idiot.

Originally Posted by michael h

A socially borne cost upon society ... children, popular even.

A reason to end all forms of socialism.

Originally Posted by michael h

A cost to gays ... who generally don't have children.

Generally? They can only have children naturally by not acting gay.

Originally Posted by michael h

Yet marriage which IS a transfer of wealth

I hear you. That is why I am in favor of ending legal marriage - not expanding it under any pretext whatever.

Originally Posted by michael h

Sounds like gays paying for a popular choice

That funk is not limited to gays.

Originally Posted by michael h

and having their property rights stolen ... without the benefits of marriage themselves.

Marriage is not a right.

Originally Posted by Unique POV

... suffer the exact same fear) ....

Another example of the feminization of society. Emotions are not facts people suffer from. Want of food, clothing and shelter is not like want of courage. There is a difference between the facts of ones predicament from ones character.

How phobic must you be to not have the courage to face your own nature? This demonstrates the observation made earlier by Damn Yankee about how homosexuals are more mentally unstable. "Suffer" from fear; And then use that as if it is a fact another poster is guilty of; give me a break!

Originally Posted by Unique POV

No. I knew I was a lesbian at a pretty young age, but I have a conservative family and had a lot of fear of being ostracized (I would imagine that if you had gay children... they would likely suffer the exact same fear) so I did the best I could to live the life that I thought was expected of me. But as I became older and wiser, I realized I could never be happy unless I was true to myself. The sad/happy irony is that not one member of my family has not welcomed my wife with complete open arms.

Sounds to me like most of your issues are self-inflicted.

Your fears are your own and it isn't my problem that you cannot face them.

That you were a coward who could not accept herself is your own issue. Sadly you seem to think I should be responsible for your insecurities.

Victim mentality - how I feel is other peoples fault.

Originally Posted by HonorsDaddy

Sounds to me like most of your issues are self-inflicted.

Your fears are your own and it isn't my problem that you cannot face them.

That you were a coward who could not accept herself is your own issue. Sadly you seem to think I should be responsible for your insecurities.

Actually a large portion of the country apparently still won't accept her marriage as legal. So in fact, by being a part of the country that won't accept gay marriage you are contributing to her insecurity. You act like gay people have never been ostracized, victimized, discriminated against, etc - even in their own families. Are you really claiming things like that have never happened?

Originally Posted by JohnLocke

Victim mentality - how I feel is other peoples fault.

You're right, a black person should feel completely comfortable strolling through this gathering. Any fear he/she feels is completely unfounded and comes solely from internal mental issues.

Originally Posted by Disillusioned_1

won't accept gay marriage you are contributing to her insecurity.

What the fuck is this, public policy decision making based on emotion?!! Perhaps she should look elsewhere for emotional security than trying to force government to make others accept her sexuality as anything but ABNORMAL.