Thread: proper teacher's salaries

Just starting out? 35-40k a year. With consistent well reviewed students after 5 years? 45-50k With consistent well reviewed students after 10 years? 55-60k. top it out at that. Seems pretty fair to me

Originally Posted by reality

Just starting out? 35-40k a year. With consistent well reviewed students after 5 years? 45-50k With consistent well reviewed students after 10 years? 55-60k. top it out at that. Seems pretty fair to me

While that might seem fair, and might well be fair in your area, or even mine, 55-60k in New York won't get anyone very far. Carpenters and plumbers don't make the same wage in New York City as they do here, so I don't think that teacher should.

After all... they are all union thugs...

Fair salary, about average while working. Teachers that do well should bepaid well. Pensions, lean and supplementary not the whole deal for retirement. How can towns and cities afford to pay people to not teach for 20 or more years?

Camping with tsquare here, I think:

I have long believed we should be paying teachers at least the value we SAY they provide us. It is almost criminal that they go to school, in most cases, an extra year to get that credential and, then, get to start at a job paying 20,000 - 30,000 (depending on geographic locale)... A lot of teachers have to buy their own supplies or a lot of their own supplies, AND support themselves AND pay all those union dues and fees AND ... well, you get the picture.

If we're going to say they're important, then we should be paying them as if we believed that. But not indiscriminantly: They should be accountable for what they produce from their instruction so if their students, by and large, test out well, then they should get more ... if they test out in the bottom, then they should get less (or get removed if the issue is chronic).

From a "we get answers to the questions we ask" perspective, we will get quality teachers based (in part) on what we're willing to reward them with. Doesn't always have to be monetary, but that's a good start.

IMO, pay them what they're worth, remove the PC roadblocks to them doing a good job (IOW, get out of their way), and get rid of the deadwood that's dragging everyone else down.

A little above the geographical average would be a good place to start, but then reward the performers.

Originally Posted by tsquare

While that might seem fair, and might well be fair in your area, or even mine, 55-60k in New York won't get anyone very far. Carpenters and plumbers don't make the same wage in New York City as they do here, so I don't think that teacher should.

After all... they are all union thugs...

here does this help: Adjust for regional inflation using the numbers listed. Cut out public unions, and make it to where unions do not get to monopolize their market. If you want to join the union and recieve the benefits of collective bargains: go for it, voluntarily. If you don't want to : go for it, voluntarily and realize you are on your own as to bargaining. this whole forcing folk to be in unions is bullshit, or forcing shops to only deal with union shops. And unions for government employees is RIGHT OUT. You work for the gov, they ARE your union.
Hows that?

One also needs to consider the issue of public sector unions and state or local governments, and the perennial issue of the unions electing representatives that will give them a sweetheart deal at the tax payers expense. This cannot be allowed. It was already recognized by FDR, and I’d like to see the same sort of deal that was made by the Charter administration with the federal public sector union.

ahoy all,

so, then goin' by some 'o the responses here....if yer students test well, then ye get paid well, aye? if they test poorly, then ye get tossed o'erboard.

if this be the case, wouldn't it be difficult to find any educators brave enough to batten down the hatches and set sail fer our inner cities? if i was a teacher, i'd only want to teach kids who be from well financially stable suburban communities.

- MeadHallPirate

The proper teacher salary is what the State is willing to pay.....I just want to know where my tax money goes?????? If teachers are not paid well and I still have to keep paying for things the class room cant supply where is the BILLIONS a quarter each state pays? I have no problem if a good teach makes decent money,.....I just dont think they should have a union OR tenure.....Good teachers need nether.

We should pay them middle, middle class wages. And they don't have to provide even a pencil to the classroom.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

We should pay them middle, middle class wages. And they don't have to provide even a pencil to the classroom.

And if the teacher is a incompetent ass?

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy all,

so, then goin' by some 'o the responses here....if yer students test well, then ye get paid well, aye? if they test poorly, then ye get tossed o'erboard.

if this be the case, wouldn't it be difficult to find any educators brave enough to batten down the hatches and set sail fer our inner cities? if i was a teacher, i'd only want to teach kids who be from well financially stable suburban communities.

- MeadHallPirate

Plenty of teachers will be glad to go to Chicago to teach in the absence of a non-productive teacher. I have a nephew getting his Masters of Education right now and he will go where the jobs are. Good teachers need no fear reasonable ratings.

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Originally Posted by thanatos144

And if the teacher is a incompetent ass?

Fired, no matter how many years on the job.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

And if the teacher is a incompetent ass?

ahoy Thanatos144,

if teachers be incompetent, i wouldn't mind seein' them drawn and quartered.

inflictin' educational malpractice on our youth be a sin that i cannot abide by, aye.

- MeadHallPirate

They should be paid an annual salary in the same ballpark as other careers that require at least a four year degree. Using a physical therapist as an example... national starting average is $75k with some areas of course making more and others making less. And yes... that should be their annual salary, even though most only work 10 months out of the year (yes... they are there a couple of weeks before school starts and a couple of weeks after it ends, so they work ten months not nine.) They typically do not get any vacation time during the school year... and other people with with professional careers do typically get six to eight weeks of vacation as part of their benefit packages. Teachers just have to take their vacation all at once instead of spreading them out through the year like the rest of us.