Thread: Why should I change my morals?

I don't recall anyone saying you need to "change your social ideals". Could you point out where you feel this has been done?

How about every time I hear social conservatives are killing the republic.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

I keep seeing everywhere that I need to change my social ideals cause Romney lost....That somehow my belief that abortion is a sick practice and is in fact baby killing. I have NEVER said we should ban abortion but I dont think I should be forced to pay for it. I also dont see why MY free speech should be silenced when I speak of it.

The same about things like Prostitution and drugs and gay marriage....I dont really care much about homos getting hitched just am annoyed that I am called evil if I dont agree with the choice of lifestyle.

They call it social conservatism as if it is a bad thing.......As if it is evil to have morals and a strong center. As if I should never care about what my kids are taught and see.

There is a concerted effort to push out the ideal of trying to live a moral life. If you say you dont think it is right for the government to teach your 6 year old sex they scream you are forcing YOUR values on them..............

Somewhere we lost the very values that made us the greatest country ever. Somewhere we sold our souls for a safety net.

Of course it's a bad thing. Of course you are being muzzled. You fail at the very first test, which is you disagree with the politically correct liberals. Of course they'll muzzle your free speech because first off, you disagree with them. We all know exactly how tolerant liberals are of ideas other than their own.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

How about every time I hear social conservatives are killing the republic.

Where did you hear that?

If someone is telling you need to change your morals or "social ideals", you should kindly tell them to fuck off. That's like telling someone they need to change the color of their skin, or how tall they are.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

Why should I change my morals?

You shouldn't.

Ever.

They're your morals and they absolutely should be the guideposts by which you live your life.

The problem is that "social conservatives" also think that the rest of America should be forced to live their lives according to those same morals, under penalty of law, regardless of whether or not they share them and regardless of whether or not they may actually feel that your morals are what's wrong with America.

Absofuckingloutely NOBODY is insisting that you visit prostitutes, or shoot drugs, or marry a man.

If your morals proscribe that behavior I don't know one person who would insist that you abandon them and live a more "progressive" personal lifestyle.

On the other hand, you're prefectly willing to broadcast your morals onto society as a whole and dictate how other people should behave and live.

Is it any wonder thhat many folks in society take Jefe's advice and tell you to "fuck off"?

It's almost comical how blind to reality your sanctamonious whine actually is.

For pretty much all of this country's history people like you have dictated to people like me exactly how we should live our lives.

People like me have finally gotten fed up with your bullshit and are fighting back and all of a sudden you're like, "Ohhhh, poor me. Poor little old me. What did I ever do to deserve their scorn. How dare they have minds of their own. How dare they expect to be allowed to live their lives without subscribing to my morality."

Honestly dude, go to church on Sunday, stick to the missionary position, pray for the salvation of our souls, and otherwise mind your own fucking business.

I promise that I'll do the same and we'll all be guided by our private concepts of morality rather than you holding the position of final arbiter of all that is right and wrong.

Originally Posted by soot

You shouldn't.

Ever.

They're your morals and they absolutely should be the guideposts by which you live your life.

The problem is that "social conservatives" also think that the rest of America should be forced to live their lives according to those same morals, under penalty of law, regardless of whether or not they share them and regardless of whether or not they may actually feel that your morals are what's wrong with America.

Absofuckingloutely NOBODY is insisting that you visit prostitutes, or shoot drugs, or marry a man.

If your morals proscribe that behavior I don't know one person who would insist that you abandon them and live a more "progressive" personal lifestyle.

On the other hand, you're prefectly willing to broadcast your morals onto society as a whole and dictate how other people should behave and live.

Is it any wonder thhat many folks in society take Jefe's advice and tell you to "fuck off"?

It's almost comical how blind to reality your sanctamonious whine actually is.

For pretty much all of this country's history people like you have dictated to people like me exactly how we should live our lives.

People like me have finally gotten fed up with your bullshit and are fighting back and all of a sudden you're like, "Ohhhh, poor me. Poor little old me. What did I ever do to deserve their scorn. How dare they have minds of their own. How dare they expect to be allowed to live their lives without subscribing to my morality."

Honestly dude, go to church on Sunday, stick to the missionary position, pray for the salvation of our souls, and otherwise mind your own fucking business.

I promise that I'll do the same and we'll all be guided by our private concepts of morality rather than you holding the position of final arbiter of all that is right and wrong.

That is where you are completely wrong. I have seen libertarians try to make others live as they think they should with pushing for prostitution and drugs and I have seen progressives do it in every aspect of life.....Social conservative dont. they make it known that they feel something is wrong and dont want to pay for it. They use their CONSTITUTIONAL rights to try and pick representatives that best suit them. They NEVER try and censor something cause they are not progressives. What you seem to hate is that they are outspoken about their values.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

That is where you are completely wrong. I have seen libertarians try to make others live as they think they should with pushing for prostitution and drugs and I have seen progressives do it in every aspect of life.....Social conservative dont. they make it known that they feel something is wrong and dont want to pay for it. They use their CONSTITUTIONAL rights to try and pick representatives that best suit them. They NEVER try and censor something cause they are not progressives. What you seem to hate is that they are outspoken about their values.

When has a libertarian or progressive ever tried to push you into using a prostitute or use drugs?

Why should I change my morals?

Fine... don't.

Keep on disparaging the new way of thinking and it's glorious Leader The God-King Obama and you will end up in a 're-education camp,' undoubtedly 'recommended' for it by one of the folks here.

Oh... and try to get a cell on the sunny side of the yard.

See you soon...

Originally Posted by thanatos144

Social conservative dont. they make it known that they feel something is wrong and dont want to pay for it. They use their CONSTITUTIONAL rights to try and pick representatives that best suit them.

Right.

Social conservatives are completly fine with drug use, prostitution, gay marriage, and abortion.

They believe that all of those things should be freely available to the citizens of a free country and respect peoples' right to choose for themselves whether or not they want to participate.

They're completly opposed to any laws, or any law enforcement activity, preventing adults from making their own decisions in these respects.

They just don't want their tax money being used to buy drugs for people, or to pay for the receptions that follow gay weddings.

Is that seriously your position on this?

If so, you're off your rocker brother.

I'll tell you what though, this may very well be YOUR opinion of how things should be, and if it is then I can completly respect it because it's the same way I fell America should be run. I'm all about grown ups being free to make grown up decisions and then being fully responsible for the repercussions of those decisions.

But if it is your opinion, you are not, in any way, representitive of social conservatives more broadly. I would even go so far as to say that if you support the idea that grown up people should be left to their own divices to make grown up decisions based on the bearing they shoot with their own moral compass, you are not a social conservative.

Most social conservatives believe that drugs, prostitution, abortion, and gay marriage should all be illegal to some greater or lesser extent.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

How about every time I hear social conservatives are killing the republic.

Who said that?

Originally Posted by thanatos144

I keep seeing everywhere that I need to change my social ideals cause Romney lost....That somehow my belief that abortion is a sick practice and is in fact baby killing. I have NEVER said we should ban abortion but I dont think I should be forced to pay for it. I also dont see why MY free speech should be silenced when I speak of it.

The same about things like Prostitution and drugs and gay marriage....I dont really care much about homos getting hitched just am annoyed that I am called evil if I dont agree with the choice of lifestyle.

They call it social conservatism as if it is a bad thing.......As if it is evil to have morals and a strong center. As if I should never care about what my kids are taught and see.

There is a concerted effort to push out the ideal of trying to live a moral life. If you say you dont think it is right for the government to teach your 6 year old sex they scream you are forcing YOUR values on them..............

Somewhere we lost the very values that made us the greatest country ever. Somewhere we sold our souls for a safety net.

Those moral beliefs you mentioned are your moral beliefs, so adhere to them. I don't see a problem here unless you want society to codify into law your moral beliefs. Which of course they have for victimless crimes like catching a buzz on a substance you are against, or for a woman exchanging sexual pleasure for money. The immorality of killing the unborn is different, in that it destroys a human life, and is not a victimless crime.

Sold our souls for safety nets? Safety nets arise from morality, not immorality. You have your morals a bit skewed here, which a lot of folks do. To care for the poor, the folks affected by corporate colonialism and the greed of bankers is not immoral. To NOT care for them is immoral. If one values human life, he does not protect the unborn while not giving some protection to grown humans who have no source of income which of course is needed these days in order to do something very basic, which is to give nourishment so that the body might not die, or become disease ridden which leads to death. You don't save a baby's life to sit by and let it starve after its born and weaned from the teat.

I know i am getting sick of being called or people inferring i am a racists... and part of the confederacy and that i backed some republicans in congress i would be for slavery still....


Face it the main stream media is saying anyone who doesnt crap obama love is a POS and needs to change