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Old 08-15-2006
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Re: Russ Feingold on illegal wiretapping and Leiberman and TWAT

yeah some those claims seem looney to me and im from the right
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Re: Russ Feingold on illegal wiretapping and Leiberman and TWAT

It was a joke you guys!! Feingold IS NOT MARXIST. He is a Progressive Democrat and he could save us if we let him. He would stop the constitutional violations, he would protect our rights and liberties and he would finally get some security on our ports, chemical plants, nuke plants etc...we are not even one iota safer now that we were before 9/11. NYC doesn't even have the police and firemen on the same radio frequency yet. Ridiculous.
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It was a joke you guys!! Feingold IS NOT MARXIST. He is a Progressive Democrat and he could save us if we let him. He would stop the constitutional violations, he would protect our rights and liberties and he would finally get some security on our ports, chemical plants, nuke plants etc...we are not even one iota safer now that we were before 9/11. NYC doesn't even have the police and firemen on the same radio frequency yet. Ridiculous.
Wow, and Feingold has a magic wand that will make all that go away? Coolness.

I did like Feingold's position in that unlike many (even some here), he is not advocating silencing Lieberman just because he does not like his message.

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Re: Russ Feingold on illegal wiretapping and Leiberman and TWAT

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It was a joke you guys!! Feingold IS NOT MARXIST. He is a Progressive Democrat and he could save us if we let him. He would stop the constitutional violations, he would protect our rights and liberties and he would finally get some security on our ports, chemical plants, nuke plants etc...we are not even one iota safer now that we were before 9/11. NYC doesn't even have the police and firemen on the same radio frequency yet. Ridiculous.
apparently you have never heard of the mccain-feingold act. Talk about restricting our freedoms. If he had his way people like Rush Limbaugh, Boortz, Hannity, and Savage would be restricted from discussing political issues 30 days prior to an election.

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Why is it freedom of speech to give large sums of money to a political candidate. That's certainly not in the constitution, aren't conservatives originalists?
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Re: Russ Feingold on illegal wiretapping and Leiberman and TWAT

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Wow, and Feingold has a magic wand that will make all that go away? Coolness.
Somebody's gotta do it! Bush certainly hasn't done anything about it!
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I did like Feingold's position in that unlike many (even some here), he is not advocating silencing Lieberman just because he does not like his message.

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Feingold is the man. Hey Matt can you do me a favor fix my title, I misspelled Lieberman? I hate that.
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Why is it freedom of speech to give large sums of money to a political candidate. That's certainly not in the constitution, aren't conservatives originalists?
Ok i'll play teacher again. You aren't allowed to donate however much money you want to a candidate. You can create a PAC (political action commitee) that's purpose is to raise money for the candidate you want to be elected. I believe the most anyone can donate directly to a candidate is 2500$

McCain-Feingold specifically targets talk radio and denies these americans their freedom of speech because they don't think it's fair that these talk show hosts have such an influence over so many people. And democrats claim the value the 1rst amendment. Well I suppose that's true as long as you say what they want you to.

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Re: Russ Feingold on illegal wiretapping and Leiberman and TWAT

If what you say is true varus WOW just wow

Im 100% against shutting anyone up left ot right

Al Franken SPeak on 100% Allen Comes etc I dont want to shut anyone up.

even the hate rascists speakers anti semites on this board I allow them their platform this is the place to do it.
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Re: Russ Feingold on illegal wiretapping and Leiberman and TWAT

varus says alot of outrageous things that aren't true. I'd like to see a link to the bill and a quote from the bill varus, that shows what you say it says. If you please.
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Re: Russ Feingold on illegal wiretapping and Leiberman and TWAT

Feingold a Marxist!

What a joke.

Tell me, o sages of politics:

What was Russ's margin of victory in 2004 vs Bush's margin of loss during the same election cycle?

And what do those numbers tell you nimrods of fact?
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Re: Russ Feingold on illegal wiretapping and Leiberman and TWAT

agree sam :0 id like to see it
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Re: Russ Feingold on illegal wiretapping and Leiberman and TWAT

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Why is it freedom of speech to give large sums of money to a political candidate. That's certainly not in the constitution, aren't conservatives originalists?
Why is it freedom of speech to burn the American flag? That's not listed in the Constitution either.
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Re: Russ Feingold on illegal wiretapping and Leiberman and TWAT

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Feingold a Marxist!

What a joke.

Tell me, o sages of politics:

What was Russ's margin of victory in 2004 vs Bush's margin of loss during the same election cycle?

And what do those numbers tell you nimrods of fact?
Your question is nonsensical, as Bush did not lose the 2004 election. His margin of loss cannot be defined, since he didn't lose.



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Re: Russ Feingold on illegal wiretapping and Leiberman and TWAT

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If what you say is true varus WOW just wow

Im 100% against shutting anyone up left ot right

Al Franken SPeak on 100% Allen Comes etc I dont want to shut anyone up.

even the hate rascists speakers anti semites on this board I allow them their platform this is the place to do it.
Liberals don't want you to remember this for obvious reasons...feel free to google McCain-Feingold restrictions.

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* provisions to make it illegal for a group to discuss with an elected representative his "message" - - for example, how to best promote a pro-life bill - - and then discuss the same subject in communications to the public within his state or district (by defining such communications as illegal campaign " contributions");

* language to ban many types of groups from sponsoring TV or radio ads for one month before a primary and two months before a general election, if the ads even mention the name of a member of Congress (for example, an ad that says, "Please call Senator Jones and urge him to vote for the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act"), and to allow certain other groups to purchase such ads only under an array of restrictions, including requiring public identification of anyone who contributes $1,000 for support of such ads;

* provisions that in effect require a political group to provide advance notice before urging the public to support or oppose a federal politician - - thereby allowing powerful incumbent politicians to take advance measures to block speech they don't like - - for example, by pressuring broadcasters not to accept ads.
This is what Fiengold is all about.

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Fortunately, some in Congress are stirring to action. Rep. Roscoe Bartlett (R-Md.) recently introduced the "First Amendment Restoration Act," which would repeal the McCain-Feingold restrictions on political advertising just before an election. Bartlett faces an uphill struggle to enact his bill, not least because some of his fellow House Republicans are vulnerable and thus benefit from the restrictions on advertising in McCain-Feingold.

Two centuries ago, Congress passed the Sedition Act, which punished critics of the government. Inveighing against the Act, James Madison pointed out that "the right of freely examining public characters and measures, and of communication thereon, is the only effectual guardian of every other right." By restricting the rights of all Americans -- liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican -- to publicly examine and to criticize members of Congress, McCain and his allies may be creating a bipartisan coalition that will one day pass Rep. Bartlett's bill. That day cannot come too soon.
http://www.cato.org/dailys/03-17-04.html

Powerful stuff; of course this backfired on the Dems who were receiving quite a bit more soft money than the Repubs.

I have a memory like an elephant; it would blow your mind how much I can recall; of course I attribute this to not drinking and doing drugs. So understandably most from Cali would be shocked at my talents.

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Re: Russ Feingold on illegal wiretapping and Leiberman and TWAT

Matt,

I was referring to Wisconsin.

But for the larger picture, see RFK Jr,'s article in 'Rolling Stone'.
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