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Old 08-15-2006
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Re: Russ Feingold on illegal wiretapping and Leiberman and TWAT

Lazarus,

I posted the main points of mccain-feingold which completely restricts the peoples 1rst amendment right to freedom of speech; post 29. But you don't worry about little things like that.

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Old 08-15-2006
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Which of course explains why something like 60% of Americans want us to set a definite timetable for leaving Iraq, and a slight majority (48% to 47%, with 5% unsure) think we will lose in Iraq.
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Which of course explains why something like 60% of Americans want us to set a definite timetable for leaving Iraq, and a slight majority (48% to 47%, with 5% unsure) think we will lose in Iraq.
And here I thought we were discussing why mccain-fiengold is unconstitutional. I guess that means you concede that Feingold is in fact nothing more than a socialist that doesn't care for freedom of speech.



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Old 08-15-2006
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Re: Russ Feingold on illegal wiretapping and Leiberman and TWAT

No,

I responded to your point Re; McCain-Feingold earlier (can get the post number if you need it- it's on pg#4). Then I pointed out that the Iraq War has soured in the minds of Joe and Betty Average in #62 above.
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Old 08-15-2006
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Re: Russ Feingold on illegal wiretapping and Leiberman and TWAT

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Lazarus,

I posted the main points of mccain-feingold which completely restricts the peoples 1rst amendment right to freedom of speech; post 29. But you don't worry about little things like that.

Varus
No, you didn't. You posted someones' interpretation of the bills' language.
And I will worry about misrepresentation, thank you.
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No, you didn't. You posted someones' interpretation of the bills' language.
And I will worry about misrepresentation, thank you.
Don't take my word for it; trust but verify. And feel free to actually post any sources you might use.

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And here I thought we were discussing why mccain-fiengold is unconstitutional. I guess that means you concede that Feingold is in fact nothing more than a socialist that doesn't care for freedom of speech.



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The real name of McCain-Feingold Campaign Reform should be the Illegal Incumbency Guarantee Law.
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Re: Russ Feingold on illegal wiretapping and Leiberman and TWAT

Can you bill talkers post the actual bill so we can check it out?
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Don't take my word for it; trust but verify. And feel free to actually post any sources you might use.

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I haven't; always do.
That is not the way this works - you can correct your own deficiencies.
I have looked at the actual pieces of this legislation. I feel no need to post a link to an aspect of this argument which you introduced.
I will give you an "B-" for effort though. You can do better.
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We deserve the best politicians money can buy.
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We deserve the best politicians money can buy.
Yep, and that is exactly why we are in the position we find ourselves in.
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Old 08-16-2006
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I haven't; always do.
That is not the way this works - you can correct your own deficiencies.
I have looked at the actual pieces of this legislation. I feel no need to post a link to an aspect of this argument which you introduced.
I will give you an "B-" for effort though. You can do better.
I'm sorry you have no idea what you're talking about. I posted the key elements of the bill that infringe our 1rst amendment rights. If you choose to ignore that you're the one who's put the blinders on so you can feel better about a crooked politician.

But since you obviously have no interest in researching this yourself, like most liberals, I'll post a sight to make it easy on you. We all know how liberals like to do as little as possible

http://www.brook.edu/gs/cf/debate/MF_summary.htm

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jsparte12 (#67)

If McCain Feingold was about guarenteeing the reelection of incumbents, then they just wasted their time- as that has been the norm for the past 2 decades.

Let's put it this way: Even in 1994, during the big Republican 'earthquake' in Congress, a whopping 94% of incumbents won another term.

In that regard, we have about the same return rate as did the former USSR in its heyday of the 1970's.
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I haven't; always do.
That is not the way this works - you can correct your own deficiencies.
I have looked at the actual pieces of this legislation. I feel no need to post a link to an aspect of this argument which you introduced.
I will give you an "B-" for effort though. You can do better.
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I'm sorry you have no idea what you're talking about. I posted the key elements of the bill that infringe our 1rst amendment rights. If you choose to ignore that you're the one who's put the blinders on so you can feel better about a crooked politician.

But since you obviously have no interest in researching this yourself, like most liberals, I'll post a sight to make it easy on you. We all know how liberals like to do as little as possible

http://www.brook.edu/gs/cf/debate/MF_summary.htm

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....I posted the key elements of the bill that infringe our 1rst amendment rights....

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feel free to google McCain-Feingold restrictions.


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* provisions to make it illegal for a group to discuss with an elected representative his "message" - - for example, how to best promote a pro-life bill - - and then discuss the same subject in communications to the public within his state or district (by defining such communications as illegal campaign " contributions");

* language to ban many types of groups from sponsoring TV or radio ads for one month before a primary and two months before a general election, if the ads even mention the name of a member of Congress (for example, an ad that says, "Please call Senator Jones and urge him to vote for the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act"), and to allow certain other groups to purchase such ads only under an array of restrictions, including requiring public identification of anyone who contributes $1,000 for support of such ads;

* provisions that in effect require a political group to provide advance notice before urging the public to support or oppose a federal politician - - thereby allowing powerful incumbent politicians to take advance measures to block speech they don't like - - for example, by pressuring broadcasters not to accept ads.

This is what Fiengold is all about.


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Fortunately, some in Congress are stirring to action. Rep. Roscoe Bartlett (R-Md.) recently introduced the "First Amendment Restoration Act," which would repeal the McCain-Feingold restrictions on political advertising just before an election. Bartlett faces an uphill struggle to enact his bill, not least because some of his fellow House Republicans are vulnerable and thus benefit from the restrictions on advertising in McCain-Feingold.

Two centuries ago, Congress passed the Sedition Act, which punished critics of the government. Inveighing against the Act, James Madison pointed out that "the right of freely examining public characters and measures, and of communication thereon, is the only effectual guardian of every other right." By restricting the rights of all Americans -- liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican -- to publicly examine and to criticize members of Congress, McCain and his allies may be creating a bipartisan coalition that will one day pass Rep. Bartlett's bill. That day cannot come too soon.
Oh yeah, this looks like the official language to be found in the body of McCain-Feingold : NOT!
Although, I will give you this. The Brookings Institute is the top think-tank in the DC area.
And contained within the link was another to the actual piece of legislation in question. A-
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Re: Russ Feingold on illegal wiretapping and Leiberman and TWAT

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....I posted the key elements of the bill that infringe our 1rst amendment rights....



Oh yeah, this looks like the official language to be found in the body of McCain-Feingold : NOT!
Although, I will give you this. The Brookings Institute is the top think-tank in the DC area.
And contained within the link was another to the actual piece of legislation in question. A-
Although you may be a baby bird who needs his food pre-digested and regurgitated, I am capable of feeding myself.

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still waiting for your actual opinion on the fine piece of legislation...

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