Business groups outspend Labor Unions AND Enviormental groups by 2:1.

Yup

Really they ( lawyers) from all sides will always exploit a loop hole.

they Lawyers believe the end justifies the means.....

When it comes to politics

Sorry if my lawyer bashing offends you lawyers ( My 13 year old daughter wants to be one )

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Hardcore Conservative !

I said Conservative not necessarly Republican or Democrat. Liberals are in both of those parties.

I dont doubt you Joa .. I was just referring to the sentiment form the talking points of the parties

Democrat slant is always BIG OIL HATE BUSH AND HALIBURTON

Republican slant is always GEORGE SOROS and moveon.org and Labor groups

Least thats kind of rhetoric i hear when those strategists form both parties get on tv and go down their list to avoid whatever question the interviewer asks....

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Hardcore Conservative !

I said Conservative not necessarly Republican or Democrat. Liberals are in both of those parties.

So, what's your point? Do you have a conclusion to draw from that abstraction? Do you have a breakdown of where the money went? Or do you ASSume that it all went to the RNC? Also, did you add in trial lawyers?

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"Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is Divine. . . . Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants.
" - James Wilson, U. S. Supreme Court Justice and Signer of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution

ding ding ding! We have a winner. Here I thought liberals were in favor of free speech; who knew.

Varus

Of course liberals are in favor of free speech....THEIR free speech. Otherwise, why would they attempt to block protests at abortion clinics, introduce "hate speech" bans in colleges, etc., ?

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"Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is Divine. . . . Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants.
" - James Wilson, U. S. Supreme Court Justice and Signer of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution

I get a kick out of both ouf you (varus and JP) You make it sound, indeed all of those of you on the right make it sound, as if liberals are some monolithic bloc that think alike, act alike and vote alike all based on your perception of the most liberal among them. Don't get me wrong liberals do the same thing to you cons and they are just as wrong.

There are some liberals that are as you portray "liberals" but they are by far in the minority. Good examples of them on USPOL are Joao, Goober and Sam just to name a few. There are also some cons here that meet the generalizations used by these liberals and others to represent all cons. Varus you are one good example of their generalization, although on the more moderate side. Hank, hairball and jvie would be more typical examples of that.

The problem is everytime you generalize like this most of us just shake our heads and move on to the next post. It is clear you are not making a valuable or even interesting point, merely slinging more mud. Now I am not opposed to slinging mud mind you, but don't you think you should at least target the mud in the right direction. You guys are like bombers in WWII. You sling mud across as wide a landscape as you can hoping to hit a target. Instead try slinging using smart mud and focus the attack.

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The universe grows smaller every day and the threat of aggression by any group anywhere can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all or no one is secure... - Klaatu

There have already been terrorist plots in this country that have been broken up, using the wire-tapping, & unfortunately from U.S. CITIZENS planning an attack.

The most recent were two caught in Florida, talking with Canadian BORN citizens also, who decided they wanted to take out Toronto.

Again, you can go on all you want about illegal wire-tapping. The problem is, you won't get the majority of Americans to go along with more restrictions as far as the legality of it. Not when their families lives are concerned.

Provide a link to the story please. If it is the one I think it is this must be a joke.

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And labor unions which are democrat based, force members, even though many members are Republican to donate to the democrat party. They do this through: Union member dues, that make donations without giving a hoot about which members would prefer to donate their money to the Republican party.

HOW FAIR IS THAT?

Isparte12 (#109),

No, Pac's buy both sides so that whomever wins, they own.

That is what money does in opur polit system- insure that the Rich control it.

See 'Wealth and Democracy' by Kevin Phillips.

Many people who own stock in corporations also resent the fact that their PAC's give their $$ to Republicans, WPK.

How fair is that??

Point is at this point we have a system where money determines who governs and that is not good.

Like a bumper sticker I saw in N. Wisconsin last week said:

'It's Not a democracy, it's an auction.'

I don't think that they vote monolithhically, but organized labor and other liberal unions spend 90+% of their PAC money on Democratic candidates. And the largest teacher union, the NEA, probably gives closer to 100% to liberal candidates that will insure a monopolistic eduction system. Unions hate competition, so they throw money at anti-competitive candidates, ergo liberals.
I don't share your belief. Two of the three that you mentioned, IMO, are nothing more than liberal hacks that regurgitate liberal DNC dogma, but I don't want to get too personal, so I'll let the reader figure out which two.

I don't take an extra 1/2 hour to qualify exactly which liberals I am speaking about., so yes, there is generalization for the sake of brevity.
For example, if discussing gun control, I could say "anti-gun liberals" or I could say " the majority of of liberals that don't support gun control and want to ban handguns". I give the reader enough credit to know that these aren't absolutes.

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"Peace is our Profession"

"Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is Divine. . . . Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants.
" - James Wilson, U. S. Supreme Court Justice and Signer of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution

If I know that an organization is giving big bucks to a particular candidate, it is my choice to either vote for him or against him. But, if his campaign contributions are "laundere" thrrough phoney PACs and 527's and aren't disclosed, then I'm not able to make an informed decision.
If candidate X gets 75% of his campaign contributions from Seniors and Trial Lawyers, for example, then I know that I don't want to vote for the socialist bastard.

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843rd Bomb Wing - Strategic Air Command
"Peace is our Profession"

"Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is Divine. . . . Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants.
" - James Wilson, U. S. Supreme Court Justice and Signer of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution

Versus the fascist bastard, of course.

Anyway, until we get public financing the best we can hope for is plutocracy.

Remember what Boss Tweed said about this subject?

Still true today.