Iraq War Worsens Terror Threat - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

Curly · #1 (**permalink**) 09-24-2006

There are many on USPO (including me) who have said that Bush's war on Iraq has done nothing to further the advance against terrorism; that in fact it has created more terrorists. Apparently a National Intelligence Estimate agrees with this assessment.

Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Worsens Terror Threat, NY Times, Sept. 24, 2006:

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A stark assessment of terrorism trends by American intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.

The classified National Intelligence Estimate attributes a more direct role to the Iraq war in fueling radicalism than that presented either in recent White House documents or in a report released Wednesday by the House Intelligence Committee, according to several officials in Washington involved in preparing the assessment or who have read the final document.

The intelligence estimate, completed in April, is the first formal appraisal of global terrorism by United States intelligence agencies since the Iraq war began, and represents a consensus view of the 16 disparate spy services inside government. Titled “Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States,’’ it asserts that Islamic radicalism, rather than being in retreat, has metastasized and spread across the globe.

An opening section of the report, “Indicators of the Spread of the Global Jihadist Movement,” cites the Iraq war as a reason for the diffusion of jihad ideology.

The report “says that the Iraq war has made the overall terrorism problem worse,” said one American intelligence official.

More than a dozen United States government officials and outside experts were interviewed for this article, and all spoke only on condition of anonymity because they were discussing a classified intelligence document. The officials included employees of several government agencies, and both supporters and critics of the Bush administration. All of those interviewed had either seen the final version of the document or participated in the creation of earlier drafts. These officials discussed some of the document’s general conclusions but not details, which remain highly classified.

Officials with knowledge of the intelligence estimate said it avoided specific judgments about the likelihood that terrorists would once again strike on United States soil. The relationship between the Iraq war and terrorism, and the question of whether the United States is safer, have been subjects of persistent debate since the war began in 2003.

National Intelligence Estimates are the most authoritative documents that the intelligence community produces on a specific national security issue, and are approved by John D. Negroponte, director of national intelligence. Their conclusions are based on analysis of raw intelligence collected by all of the spy agencies.

Hopefully, every time Bush mentions his war in Iraq with the war on terrorism (in much the same way he mentioned Iraq and 9/11 again and again in the buildup to the invasion of Iraq), people will take note of the deliberately misleading statements, and register their opinions in this fall's elections.

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The estimate’s judgments confirm some predictions of a National Intelligence Council report completed in January 2003, two months before the Iraq invasion. That report stated that the approaching war had the potential to increase support for political Islam worldwide and could increase support for some terrorist objectives.

More intelligence that was ignored by Bush.

So we have more terrorism and a greater chance of terrorist attacks than we had prior to 9/11. Terrorism has increased, not decreased, during Bush's time in office, and one of the major reasons it has increased is Bush's war on Iraq.

And yet, we're safer??? Why does Bush continue to mislead us?

Hank · #2 (**permalink**) 09-24-2006

I bet it really pissed off the Germans when England bombed there munitions factories too..

CHUQ · #3 (**permalink**) 09-24-2006

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I bet it really pissed off the Germans when England bombed there munitions factories too..

HUH?

How long will they mislead us? Forever, because the American people will not educate themselves. As long as they agree to the contract of state where they give up control of their lives to the elite, who's only concern is the holy trinity of money, influence and power. The representative democracy is in their favorite for they decide what you will vote on--you have little say!

Ash · #4 (**permalink**) 09-24-2006

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Originally Posted by CHUQ

Forever, because the American people will not educate themselves.

I can agree with this but...

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The representative democracy is in their favorite for they decide what you will vote on--you have little say!

...I think that this is more than a bit far-fetched.

Sicofit · #5 (**permalink**) 09-24-2006

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Originally Posted by CHUQ

HUH?

How long will they mislead us? Forever, because the American people will not educate themselves. As long as they agree to the contract of state where they give up control of their lives to the elite, who's only concern is the holy trinity of money, influence and power. The representative democracy is in their favorite for they decide what you will vote on--you have little say!

Well, I would have to say that you are being misled, but not by my government. I must ask where you get your propaganda, er uh, information. If those of you who believe the war in Iraq is creating more terrorists had been around in the 40's, you would have advocated not bombing Germany and not ridding the world of nazis and we'd all be speaking German now. This assault by Islamofascists didn't begin in the last decade. It really achieved full tilt in 1979 and has steadily escalated until we find ourselves where we are now, and until 9/11 Americans slept. Handling things your way, we'd still be asleep and probably soon dead. When does your alarm sound?

Andrewl · #6 (**permalink**) 09-24-2006

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Originally Posted by Curly

There are many on USPO (including me) who have said that Bush's war on Iraq has done nothing to further the advance against terrorism; that in fact it has created more terrorists. Apparently a National Intelligence Estimate agrees with this assessment.

Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Worsens Terror Threat, NY Times, Sept. 24, 2006:

Hopefully, every time Bush mentions his war in Iraq with the war on terrorism (in much the same way he mentioned Iraq and 9/11 again and again in the buildup to the invasion of Iraq), people will take note of the deliberately misleading statements, and register their opinions in this fall's elections.

More intelligence that was ignored by Bush.

So we have more terrorism and a greater chance of terrorist attacks than we had prior to 9/11. Terrorism has increased, not decreased, during Bush's time in office, and one of the major reasons it has increased is Bush's war on Iraq.

And yet, we're safer??? Why does Bush continue to mislead us?

Yep. Iraq had nothing to do with fighting terror, GWB and his evil friends knew it before hand, they ignored intelligence that said it would likely increase islamic terror, and they went ahead and did it anyway, lying to the american public and the world that the invasion of iraq would make the world a safer place and that their motives were pure. And you guys put up with this shit? What the fuck is the matter with your country?

Andrew

Rightisright · #7 (**permalink**) 09-24-2006

The mistake Bush has made with Iraq is that he doesn't want to win bad enough! I think he should have turned that rotten place into a sheet of green glass on 9/12. I know, all you liberals will say "you can't use the bomb." Why the hell not? We got it don't we? If he had, 2600 Americans would still be alive. Pretty soon, we'll have lost as many in Iraq as in 9/11. If he was going to listen to the liberals and not use the bomb, he should have used 5 times the troops he did and forced the submission of those animals. But he listened to the liberals, and did half a war. You can't do have a war.

Rightisright · #8 (**permalink**) 09-24-2006

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

Yep. Iraq had nothing to do with fighting terror, GWB and his evil friends knew it before hand, they ignored intelligence that said it would likely increase islamic terror, and they went ahead and did it anyway, lying to the american public and the world that the invasion of iraq would make the world a safer place and that their motives were pure. And you guys put up with this shit? What the fuck is the matter with your country?

Andrew

Do you pray to Jesus with that same mouth? What are you a homosexual?

Andrewl · #9 (**permalink**) 09-24-2006

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Do you pray to Jesus with that same mouth? What are you a homosexual?

Thank you. It is obvious by your tone that you are a Bush supporter. And you have displayed your idiocy quite well for all to see. Gladly not all Bush supporters are like you, some of them were just misled, but now know better. But people like you are just creepy, beyond redemption.

Andrew

Rightisright · #10 (**permalink**) 09-24-2006

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Thank you. It is obvious by your tone that you are a Bush supporter. And you have displayed your idiocy quite well for all to see. Gladly not all Bush supporters are like you, some of them were just mislead now know better, but people like you are just creepy. Beyond redemption.

Andrew

My friend, I was redeemed by The Redeemer, and I have no fear of liberals or death. The same is there for you if you accept his love in your heart. Jesus loves you, even while you defile him.

kengle · #11 (**permalink**) 09-24-2006

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My friend, I was redeemed by The Redeemer, and I have no fear of liberals or death. The same is there for you if you accept his love in your heart. Jesus loves you, even while you defile him.

While you call for people of another religion to be nuked. You are speaking from both sides of your mouth, buddy. You don't represent my religion, you just claim to. Go back and take some Bible studies or something to get back on track. I think your own insecurities, fear and anger are blocking what Jesus wants you to truly feel and do.

Andrewl · #12 (**permalink**) 09-24-2006

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Originally Posted by Rightisright

My friend, I was redeemed by The Redeemer, and I have no fear of liberals or death. The same is there for you if you accept his love in your heart. Jesus loves you, even while you defile him.

Ahhh... another kook who belongs to a Megachurch®. Waiting for the rapture are we?

Andrew

Rightisright · #13 (**permalink**) 09-24-2006

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While you call for people of another religion to be nuked. You are speaking from both sides of your mouth, buddy. You don't represent my religion, you just claim to. Go back and take some Bible studies or something to get back on track. I think your own insecurities, fear and anger are blocking what Jesus wants you to truly feel and do.

I don't claim to represent anyone's religion.

I know one thing true -

Jesus is being attacked by these Muslins and the deniers of Christ in our own country.

If you love Jesus, wake up and smell the coffee brother!

Rightisright · #14 (**permalink**) 09-24-2006

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Ahhh... another kook who belongs to a Megachurch®. Waiting for the rapture are we?

Andrew

I don't belong to any of them new age liberal churches.

I belong to the same church as my daddy, and my daddy's daddy, and his daddy before him.

Thanks for asking friend.

kengle · #15 (**permalink**) 09-24-2006

[quote=Rightisright;806868]I don't claim to represent anyone's religion.

Really? I have news for you. When you say things like this:

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My friend, I was redeemed by The Redeemer, and I have no fear of liberals or death

You are claiming to be a Christian. But what you say doesn't follow what your religion follows. Look inside budy. You took a right turn off the path somewhere.

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I know one thing true -

Jesus is being attacked by these Muslins and the deniers of Christ in our own country.

I'm starting to wonder if you are making these posts just to get a rise out of people. Do you know what a troll is?

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