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Old 09-28-2006
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General calls Rumsfeld incompetent

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WASHINGTON // Retired military officers bluntly accused Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld of bungling the Iraq war, saying yesterday that U.S. troops were sent to fight without the best equipment and that critical facts were hidden from the public.

"I believe that Secretary Rumsfeld and others in the administration did not tell the American people the truth for fear of losing support for the war in Iraq," retired Army Maj. Gen. John R.S. Batiste told a forum conducted by Senate Democrats.

Retired Maj. Gen. Paul D. Eaton assessed Rumsfeld as "incompetent strategically, operationally and tactically."

"Mr. Rumsfeld and his immediate team must be replaced or we will see two more years of extraordinarily bad decision- making," Eaton said at the forum, held six weeks before the Nov. 7 midterm elections, in which the war is a central issue.
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I heard General Batiste's speech yesterday. He pretty much blames the whole fiasco on Rumsfeld. For example he says:

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Donald Rumsfeld is not a competent wartime leader. He knows everything, except "how to win." He surrounds himself with like-minded and compliant subordinates who do not grasp the importance of the principles of war, the complexities of Iraq, or the human dimension of warfare. Secretary Rumsfeld ignored 12 years of U.S. Central Command deliberate planning and strategy, dismissed honest dissent, and browbeat subordinates to build "his plan," which did not address the hard work to crush the insurgency, secure a post-Saddam Iraq, build the peace, and set Iraq up for self-reliance. He refused to acknowledge and even ignored the potential for the insurgency, which was an absolute certainty. Bottom line, his plan allowed the insurgency to take root and metastasize to where it is today. Our great military lost a critical window of opportunity to secure Iraq because of inadequate troop levels and capability required to impose security, crush a budding insurgency, and set the conditions for the rule of law in Iraq. We were undermanned from the beginning, lost an early opportunity to secure the country, and have yet to regain the initiative. To compensate for the shortage of troops, commanders are routinely forced to manage shortages and shift coalition and Iraqi security forces from one contentious area to another in places like Baghdad, An Najaf, Tal Afar, Samarra, Ramadi, Fallujah, and many others. This shifting of forces is generally successful in the short term, but the minute a mission is complete and troops are redeployed back to the region where they came from, insurgents reoccupy the vacuum and the cycle repeats itself. Troops returning to familiar territory find themselves fighting to reoccupy ground which was once secure. We are all witnessing this in Baghdad and the Al Anbar Province today. I am reminded of the myth of Sisyphus. This is no way to fight a counter-insurgency. Secretary Rumsfeld's plan did not set our military up for success.
Here are the transcripts of the two speeches as well as the video.
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Old 09-28-2006
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Re: General calls Rumsfeld incompetent

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know." Donald Rumsfeld

"I don't do diplomacy." DR

"I don't do foreign policy." DR


Obviously the General is right, when you make Bush look like a genius, uh oh. I think everything is an unknown unknown to him, and any man in his position that doesn't do diplomacy or foreign policy shouldn't be there. The reason you have a person at the head of the entire Dept or Defense is so that he will have those things, things that Generals and military people who are risking their lives have not as much time to do.
Why Bush has not rid himself of the most incompetent member of his staff I don't know. He should have never hung Powell out to dry and he should have given him that post. (Insert right wing yelling here)

Rumsfeld needs to go, and he needs to be put on display to the american people, he is accountable to them and he should be shown for what he is. Instead we are arguing over a former President to hide the master of the Unknown.
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Re: General calls Rumsfeld incompetent

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"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know." Donald Rumsfeld

"I don't do diplomacy." DR

"I don't do foreign policy." DR


Obviously the General is right, when you make Bush look like a genius, uh oh. I think everything is an unknown unknown to him, and any man in his position that doesn't do diplomacy or foreign policy shouldn't be there. The reason you have a person at the head of the entire Dept or Defense is so that he will have those things, things that Generals and military people who are risking their lives have not as much time to do.
Why Bush has not rid himself of the most incompetent member of his staff I don't know. He should have never hung Powell out to dry and he should have given him that post. (Insert right wing yelling here)

Rumsfeld needs to go, and he needs to be put on display to the american people, he is accountable to them and he should be shown for what he is. Instead we are arguing over a former President to hide the master of the Unknown.
Rumsfeld is like a heat shield for Bush. As long as Rummy is taking a lot of the blame, then Bush isn't. Giving Powell Rummy's position would be considered a demotion. Just remember one thing. Rummy found the wmd's but then refused to show the American people where they are. Why he hasn't been tried for treason is a question I'd like some answers to.
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Re: General calls Rumsfeld incompetent

this just in, Gardener calls grass green.

How can they say Rummy is incompetant, he's fine, it's lazy ass troops who are blowing the war..................
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this just in, Gardener calls grass green.

How can they say Rummy is incompetant, he's fine, it's lazy ass troops who are blowing the war..................


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Re: General calls Rumsfeld incompetent

I'd say that Rumsfeld reminds me a lot of Reobert McNamara, but McNamara is a lot smarter that Rumsfeld and still managed to preside over the traumatic military fiasco known as "Vietnam".

I'd like to strap Rummy to a chair and force him to watch that McNamara film from 2004.

Another thing, shame on any general officers that know the situation in Iraq is a farce but don't speak up for fear of being fired, as Rummy has done to some.
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Re: General calls Rumsfeld incompetent

Rumsfeld is doing a great job IMO.

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retired Army Maj. Gen. John R.S. Batiste told a forum conducted by Senate Democrats
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