http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=2505039&page=1

as Gomer Pyle used to say "Surprise, Surprise, Surprise".

Imagine the Bush Whitehouse linked to a huge corruption scandal, just a scant 6 weeks before the mid term elections.

Coming from the Republican dominated House Government Affairs Committee, you have to imagine that they try to present this in the most favorable light possible.

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But Bush said he doesn't know Abramoff! Yet Karl Rove was his prime target. Could it be that Bush has been dishonest with us? No, impossible.

Hmmmm meals and concert tickets violating the gift ban? Ya think?

er.......... I watched the hearings. Did you know he was supporting a sniper training camp for teens in Israel, with Indian money?

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I would have never guessed, I mean this administration has been soooo honest and forthcoming. [/sarcasm off]

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i heard 485 different meetings/contacts with WH officials and abramoff.. and WH had declared only a handful earlier.. saying 6 or 8 times( not sure) -.. but instead of taht low number, the actual number of meetings have been close to 500 !!!

something REALLY stinks

Personally, I don't think the 485 or 500 would represent actual visits. If Abramoff is billing clients, he would bill to them any little think (i.e. e-mail, phone calls, faxes, etc.) so I'm pretty sure he didn't visit the WH that many times. But, by the token, we know that the WH logs were incomplete as requested by the various committees investigating Abramoff. I've heard of 100 visits to the WH since Bush was first elected however the logs don't show who Abramoff was visiting. I'm absolutely convinced he only met Bush a few times (he would have been given this priveledge as a "Bush Pioneer") but my guess he mostly met with policy aides.

I agree. 485 times is a lot, but it really doesn't matter. How many other Jeff Gannons and Jack Abramoff's are there in the W.H.? Without a Democrat led investigation we'll never know the true answer.

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I agree that the nature of both Gannon and Abramoff visits should be looked at. If Abramoff was acting purely as a lobbyist and there wasn't the quid pro quo's then I'd have to admit that there isn't really isn't a whole lot that can be done. Like it or not, President's also have to be loyal to the Party faithful and if that means photo-ops for the high rollers then who cares. If, on the other hand, Abramoff's visits entailed large campaign donations (or other things of value) in favor of support for specific legislation on behalf of their clients, then that's a whole new ballgame.

What will be hilarious is if the Dem's do take the House and start investigating why Gannon or Abramoff spent so much time at the WH (and it'll be interesting to correlate the visits to when the President was actually there) the reaction of the Rep. and their own Clintonian defenses rearing their ugly heads again.

Total hogwash. George W. Bush is a Christian. Christians are not supposed to be corrupt.

I don't know what Abramoff is, but his name sound like he's probably a Jew.

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I agree wholeheartedly. While there should be investigation the conservative media bias will try and make it look as though it's just spin to derail progress. The first thing Dems should do when/if they take office is to handle immigration. Then focus on how redeploying troops to Afganistan and the border. An investigation needs to be done, but only after a few years.

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"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

As to the first part, the media will do only that which they feel will get them ratings. If they smell blood in the water they'll have it front and center. They do their polling just as much as the political parties do.

As for their agenda it will depend solely on their ability to gain control of both bodies of Congress. They could pass all the legislation they want but if they can't control the agenda of both the House and Senate, very little will be done and in either case, they won't have the veto proof majority in the Senate and you'll probably end up seeing alot of vetoes and compromise legislation. The best they can do will be to get on tv and argue that the other side isn't compromising.

My own personal opinion is that if the Dem's take control of the House they'll be able to make live miserable for Bush. You'll end up seeing a 2 year lame duck session and constant mud slinging on the air waves.

some mroe details:

http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/new...060928&src=abc

Of those 485 contacts, 345 were described as meetings or other in-person contacts; 71 were described as phone conversations and 69 were e-mail exchanges.

for more info.. click link above..

Interesting. I figured of those meetings most of them would have been e-mails and such, but that's really quite the opposite.

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"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

What the hell are you talking about? He may claim to be a chrtistian, but his actions prove otherwise.

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Trailblazer is just trolling. He's apparently decided to adopt some ultra-right wing persona and act up to get people going.

Matt

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