It's a terrible time for the Terrorists. I am unsure however, where you came up with 'abitrary' and 'forever' from. This doesn't sound accurate.

How sad. It must be a bummer for al Qaeda. :-(

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Or anyone else who happens to be a non citizen that the government feels like detaining and torturing.


My mother could be picked up. She's been living in the states for the last 20 years.

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Maybe bad for al-qaeda, definitely bad for legal residents.

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Which residents? John Mohammed?



The Lacawana six?


How awful for the Terrorists it must be indeed.

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Just read the article in the opening post. Pretty much any legal residents. Please stop asking stupid questions.

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If a neocon whines about big government wealth redistribution, just ask him what he thinks about the portion of that big government that sends aid to Israel.

how difficult is it for people to understand that the suspension of habeas corpus is extremely dangerous. it is a basic safeguard against false imprisonment. it is meant to protect you from the abusive power of the state. those who do not care about our government tossing it aside must not understand the situation.

here's a quote from Cicero that seems appropriate today:

"What is morally wrong can never be advantageous, even when it enables you to make some gain that you believe to be to your advantage. The mere act of believing that some wrongful course of action constitutes an advantage is pernicious."

~ Cicero

I have. Further, I don't require your instruction.So, you 'feel' as if you are threatened then? Is there something the government could find out about Slon that the forum should know?Alright, I'll get to the point. Are you now or have you ever been a Socialist?

There seems to be a few American citizens who are harmed by the new Detainee bill being passed. How horrible for the Terrorists it must be like Jose Padilla, for example.

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How would you like it if they made it legal to detain and torture your mother and older brother?

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"Jesus said: I have cast fire upon the world, and behold I guard it until it is ablaze."
Gospel of Thomas

Your posts would not be so stupid if you followed it.Oh, I'm not threatened by this, I am a citizen. However, you reveal to us once again that you cannot read. This bill does not give the President the power to torture people about whom information is revealed, it gives them power to torture legal residents if they are suspicious. And for a President who ordered the invasion of Iraq because he "thought" they had WMDs, "suspicion" is a word used VERY lightly.No, I am against big government. You appear to be for it, though. You sure you aren't a socialist?I don't think any American citizens have been harmed by it. The bill clearly mentions non-citizen legal residents and not citizens. Look, come back when you can read, okay?

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If a neocon whines about big government wealth redistribution, just ask him what he thinks about the portion of that big government that sends aid to Israel.

What have I missed? You seem upset in your post.Have you ever been tortured? Your behavior seems suspicious to me. They did have WMD.

I can read. Can you?

Saddam’s WMD: Discovery and Denia
WMDs - Senator Rick Santorum and Rep. Pete Hoekstra revealed declassified portions of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center (NGIC) that said Coalition forces in Iraq have recovered several hundred munitions containing degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. The report also stated that “filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist.”
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=23202

THE SECURITY COUNCIL, 27 JANUARY 2003:
AN UPDATE ON INSPECTION
Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 litres of this biological warfare agent, which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction.

There are strong indications that Iraq produced more anthrax than it declared, and that at least some of this was retained after the declared destruction date. It might still exist.

As I reported to the Council on 19 December last year, Iraq did not declare a significant quantity, some 650 kg, of bacterial growth media, which was acknowledged as imported in Iraq’s submission to the Amorim panel in February 1999. As part of its 7 December 2002 declaration, Iraq resubmitted the Amorim panel document, but the table showing this particular import of media was not included. The absence of this table would appear to be deliberate as the pages of the resubmitted document were renumbered."
http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/Bx27.htm

Missing Iraqi nuke equipment worries IAEA
The senior adviser to Iraq's Interior Ministry blamed U.S. forces Tuesday for not securing facilities where the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency says equipment that could be used to make nuclear weapons has vanished.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/12/iraq.nuclear/

U.N. TEAM FINDS NEW IRAQI NUCLEAR EVIDENCE
01/14/92 UNITED NATIONS REPORT, TUESDAY, JANUARY 14
Iraq has admitted receiving components from German companies that would have enabled it to produce enough uranium for three or four nuclear bombs a year. UN Report.
http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/1992/920114-209554.htm

Detainees who are suspicious of having links to Terrorists may need to be interrogated thoroughly to stop the next attack on the United States.

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You mentioned citizens being harmed when the bill clearly refers to NON-citizens. That shows that you either didn't read the article or that you can't read.The "WMDs" found in Iraq are about as useful as household chemicals. It is laughable that you even bring it up.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...062201475.html

When the weapons were mentioned in the IWR, they were mentioned because of the risk of terrorists getting them. Exactly what risk is there of terrorists getting their hands on household chemicals in Iraq when there are already such chemicals in the US or at least chemicals as harmful? Many of the so-called "WMDs" (although I don't know what they can destroy on a mass scale, if anything, maybe an ant colony) were found undocument, buried or discarded (yeah I bet Hussein was planning to ferment them). Yeah, real dangerous.

The biological weapon claims are either allegations and/or simply suspicions due to lack of documentation.

The nuclear "evidence" simply states they have the equipment to produce it, not that they actually have. I have a brick on my property that can probably kill someone. Should they invade my house and arrest me?

Anyway, the bill doesn't just allow for their torture, it allows them to be held indefinitely in secret prisons and denied habeas corpus, one of the most basic rights found in America. You must really hate freedom if you think this is okay.

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Attention! Attention!

Tiny Group Of Hardcore Anglo American Nationalists Find Wmds On The Internet!

They Have Refuted The World!

Perhaps the author, KATHERINE SHRADER, would like to bring some home with her. You didn't really all the links regarding anthrax, nukes and other agents of mass destruction apparently.

Further, Saddam had years to move the bulk of his weapons and programs to allies like Syria.No. The should arrest you if you are an enemy of the United States and engaged in plots. I have my own definition of who should be included that you may not agree with including Socialists, Communists, Marxists, Maoists and other Terrorist supporters.
I think that it is OK to maintain our freedom against a bunch of nutbags who would probably kill you first.

Terrorists and their supporters have no value. They don't stand for anything and cannot be negotiated with, contrary to the Leftists views.

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So because I consider myself, more or less, a socialist, I am a nutbag who will probably kill you?

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