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Old 09-29-2006
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Iraq just passed a law banning criticism of the government

So, looks like Iraq is expressing the freedom not to promote freedom.

Under a broad new set of laws criminalizing speech that ridicules the government or its officials, some resurrected verbatim from Saddam Hussein's penal code, roughly a dozen Iraqi journalists have been charged with offending public officials in the past year.

Currently, three journalists for a small newspaper in southeastern Iraq are being tried here for articles last year that accused a provincial governor, local judges and police officials of corruption. The journalists are accused of violating Paragraph 226 of the penal code, which makes anyone who "publicly insults" the government or public officials subject to up to seven years in prison.

On Sept. 7, the police sealed the offices of Al Arabiya, a Dubai-based satellite news channel, for what the government said was inflammatory reporting. And the Committee to Protect Journalists says that at least three Iraqi journalists have served time in prison for writing articles deemed criminally offensive.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/09/...0926journo.php

This is so backwards. Iraq is just falling into the same authoritarian state it was under Saddam. What is worse is that religious fundamentalists are now in control. Could this be any more of a massive fuck up than it already is?

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Re: Iraq just passed a law banning criticism of the government

Iraq is just 3 years ahead of our government. Just wait till '09 and the good ole USA will be passing such laws. I hope the Iraqi government starts exporting democracy.
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Re: Iraq just passed a law banning criticism of the government

History shows that you cannot force a democracy on a country by war.
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Re: Iraq just passed a law banning criticism of the government

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History shows that you cannot force a democracy on a country by war.
Yes, but history also shows us that no one is going to stop trying.
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Re: Iraq just passed a law banning criticism of the government

How Chavez-like of them.

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Re: Iraq just passed a law banning criticism of the government

Took the words out of my mouth Matt. Also seems like a silly law when 150 people are being tortured in killed by militia death-squads tit-for-tat daily there. They are worried about insulting reporters??!! It's like brushing your teeth really well but ignoring that gangrene on your leg.
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Re: Iraq just passed a law banning criticism of the government

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Yes, but history also shows us that no one is going to stop trying.
History is so stupid.
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Re: Iraq just passed a law banning criticism of the government

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So, looks like Iraq is expressing the freedom not to promote freedom.

Under a broad new set of laws criminalizing speech that ridicules the government or its officials, some resurrected verbatim from Saddam Hussein's penal code, roughly a dozen Iraqi journalists have been charged with offending public officials in the past year.

Currently, three journalists for a small newspaper in southeastern Iraq are being tried here for articles last year that accused a provincial governor, local judges and police officials of corruption. The journalists are accused of violating Paragraph 226 of the penal code, which makes anyone who "publicly insults" the government or public officials subject to up to seven years in prison.

On Sept. 7, the police sealed the offices of Al Arabiya, a Dubai-based satellite news channel, for what the government said was inflammatory reporting. And the Committee to Protect Journalists says that at least three Iraqi journalists have served time in prison for writing articles deemed criminally offensive.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/09/...0926journo.php

This is so backwards. Iraq is just falling into the same authoritarian state it was under Saddam. What is worse is that religious fundamentalists are now in control. Could this be any more of a massive fuck up than it already is?

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On the contrary, this is just showing how Americanized the Iraqi government is getting and how fine a job we are doing by staying the course..
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Re: Iraq just passed a law banning criticism of the government

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Took the words out of my mouth Matt. Also seems like a silly law when 150 people are being tortured in killed by militia death-squads tit-for-tat daily there. They are worried about insulting reporters??!! It's like brushing your teeth really well but ignoring that gangrene on your leg.
Perhaps some policy-makers hope that this law will discourage reporters from publicizing the amount of violence occurring.
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Re: Iraq just passed a law banning criticism of the government

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History shows that you cannot force a democracy on a country by war.
You might be able to. I think it would be more accurate to say that history shows you cannot enforce democracy by war on a country without a sizeable and educated middle class.
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Re: Iraq just passed a law banning criticism of the government

Freedom is on the March.
Or as John Stewart put it, "Bush is attaching the electrodes of Freedom to the testicles of Terror"
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Re: Iraq just passed a law banning criticism of the government

Now that this has happened in addition to the fact that the Iraqi Constitution is strongly Islamic and that there is now MORE torture in Iraq, I take it we can drop the "we invaded to liberate the Iraqi people" line of bullshit. With the WMDs line already dropped and the "to stop terrorism" clearly revealed to be wrong (actually INCREASED terrorism), what excuse is being pushed by the right in an attempt to justify the war? Anyone who supports the war is encouraged to answer.
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Re: Iraq just passed a law banning criticism of the government

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Iraq is just 3 years ahead of our government. Just wait till '09 and the good ole USA will be passing such laws. I hope the Iraqi government starts exporting democracy.
100% agreed. Something is up. Not even during the Cold War when there was very serious nuclear threat, we never stooped this far down as we have done now for one major event that traumatized Americans.

Here's something to look forward to. This is some serious scary shit. When I read this I get the chills just knowing where we are headed.

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Model State Emergency Health Powers Act

When federal and state public health officials convince your Governor to declare a “public health” emergency, they want to be able to use the “state militia” to:

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take control of all roads leading into and out of your cities and state;
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seize your house, car, telephones, computers, food, fuel, clothing, firearms and alcoholic beverages for their own use (and not be held liable if these actions result in the destruction of your personal property);
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arrest, imprison and forcibly examine, vaccinate and medicate you and your children without your consent (and not be held liable if these actions result in your death or injury).
http://www.909shot.com/ActionAlerts/...ed_to_know.htm

That is damn scary. You might as well learn about American future.



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This Act would:

* broaden government access to private medical records;

* greatly weaken protections against the taking of private property without compensation;

* criminalize refusal to be conscripted for public service or to take medical treatment;

* potentially increase the risk of infection to many individuals on the pretext of protecting the common good;

* subjugate scientific analysis and deliberation to the raw assertion of power; greatly expand the power of government to interfere with commerce;

* and immunize state officials from sanctions against gross abuses of power.
http://www.mercola.com/2001/dec/26/mehpa.htm

http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/HL748.cfm

This is some serious shit.
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Re: Iraq just passed a law banning criticism of the government

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On the contrary, this is just showing how Americanized the Iraqi government is getting and how fine a job we are doing by staying the course..
Really? Care to cite the US law that bans criticism of the government?

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Re: Iraq just passed a law banning criticism of the government

Whew...hasn't even been proposed in my state.
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