"As the Iraqi people stand up, our troops will stand down"-Dubya.

Someone on another forum pointed out that this means Republicans support unlimited welfare to the Iraqi people. I didn't believe him at the time, but now I realize that the Iraqi people really are getting a type of welfare.

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

No matter what the qualifications are, no one but the one pulling the trigger can say for sure WHY they did it. The coroner may speculate but he can't say beyond a reasonable doubt, that he knows WHY it happened.

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thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming 'WOO HOO, what a ride!'"

That's true, by golly! Gee, if I shoot someone, then there's no way anyone can say beyond a reasonable doubt why I did it either! I can finally kill people that don't tip me, and it doesn't matter what someone's qualifications are, because, "no one but the one pulling the trigger can say for sure WHY they did it"
(let this be a lesson: tip your sleep deprived cabbie)

According to the Reuters article, the coroners inquiry came back with a finding of unlawful killing, surely the next step would be to indict the suspects, and bring the matter to trial. I'll leave guilt or innocence for the trial court to decide.

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Senator Thad Cochran, Mississippi (R)
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“I decided I didn’t want this guy anywhere near a trigger.”
Senator Pete Domenici, New Mexico (R)
on McCain

“My anger did not help my campaign ... People don’t like angry candidates very much.”

McCain on McCain

If the soldiers in question wanted to present their case, they had every opportunity to do so. But :
Not showing up for, or obstructing, a case in which you're the defendant is generally not a very succesful approach. In most civil cases it's a perfect recipe for conviction.

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Hillel the Elder

The next step should be to tell them to piss off because they have NO jurisdiction in the matter.

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----Denny Crane

The Brits have no jurisdiction over the death of a Brit ?
Then who has ? The Iraqis ?

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Maybe they didn't know British coroners had legal capacity either.
Anyway, if I know anything about military beauracracy, there's probably an officer that's sitting on some paperwork somwhere, and when that bottleneck clears there'll be some information about their own investigation. We might even hear about it

Really? Gee, the rest of us are beside ourselves.
Islamic television (Controlled by Saddam in 2003.) giving us bad press- who‘d a thunk.?
It’s who and why the stating occurred that is at issue. This is much more a sever crime then Solders returning fire.
Yea, ya gotta be careful on those battle fields during a war when your interviewing the enemy….
Your running with something inappropriate happening. This is not on any news program or non-liberal website. The van was fleeing the area carrying insurgents that opened fire on U.S. troops. C’mon.
Oh!!! It’s spam. Never mind…

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I guess the reason for my post went right over your little head.

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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chardonnay in one hand, chocolate in the other, body
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming 'WOO HOO, what a ride!'"

Arab television != Islamic television != Iraqi television

The van was property of ITN's crew, and was here used as a makeshift ambulance for Mr. Lloyd. It was driving away from where the engagement was. The inquest showed that the fire on it was initiated by US tanks. If the operators of these tanks had a different story to tell, they should have shown up at the inquest.

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"Say not, 'When I have free time I shall study'; for you may perhaps never have any free time"
Hillel the Elder

Jurisdiction is ordinarily determined by territory, not nationality. In this case, the U.K. does not have jurisdiction

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Oh nevermind, I guess there was an internal investigation and we didn't do anything wrong. I skimmed past that in the second article. Still, I don't see any accounts that suggest that they were in the middle of a firefight... sounds like there was an exchange of gunfire, and the minibus stopped to pick up wounded, and was then fired on as it was leaving.
But I suppose we shouldn't jump to any conclusions - until we know just how wounded these Iraqis look, and if the wounded were the same ones exchanging fire, it sounds like acceptable losses to me

your response does not address the issue, that is that the coroner determines cause of death, not the reasons it occurred.

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Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile....

It would be virtually impossible for soldiers to know that a "minibus" is there for humanitarian purposes rather than to spirit away enemy fighters. This is why the red cross symbol has been adopted for ambulances, etc., to safeguard them from attack. If this was truly a civilian trying to get wounded people to a hospital for no other reason than humanitarian this is a tragedy -- not infrequent in war, unfortunately.

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