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Old 10-24-2006
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Re: Duncan Hunter (R) CA wants to censor CNN

[quote=Thematic-Device;832741]Nixon wasn't convicted either, since he was pardoned, for that matter, doesn't make him not a crook. In fact one can act legally and still be a crook (as it is possible to legally swindle people). It's a personal opinion not a legal definition. If he had been accused of being a convict it would be a different matter.
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Ever heard of libel, slander, and defamation of character?

Posters shouldn't present opinions as facts. Please note the subtle difference.

John Smith is a crook.

I think that John Smith is a crook.
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Old 10-24-2006
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Re: Duncan Hunter (R) CA wants to censor CNN

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Yes it is. When someone starts a thread and makes clain that the person who is the subject of the thread is a crook, there should be facts behind the claim. If the OP wants to state their opinion is that the person is crooked, so be it, that is not the same.
Why do the people who cry the loudest about injustices adopt thinking that is direct opposition to their own agenda?
The OP has decided the subject is a "crook" and presented him as such. No trial, no jury, no conviction, just partisan opinion. So yes it is relevant.
I am of the opinion that a man who takes bribes is a crook.

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Hunter has acknowledged that he joined with Cunningham in 1999 to contact Pentagon officials who reversed a decision and gave ADCS one of its first big contracts, for nearly $10 million.
Did you read the article I posted?

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After the Pentagon declined to give ADCS a contract, it awarded the company a $9.8 million deal in mid-1999 after "inquiries from two members of Congress," a Defense investigation found. Hunter and Cunningham have said they asked Pentagon officials about the program.

The money went to ADCS instead of projects for the Army's UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter, Air Force bases, and a parts center in Oklahoma, according to the report by the Pentagon inspector general, prompted by a request from a Defense official.
Hunter doesn't go for getting the troops the equipment they need, he'd rather give the money to the defense contractors who line his pockets. He's all part of the war profiteering we are seeing in this government today.

To me, that's a crook. What is your definition of a crook Chassisman?

The quotes are from the article I linked to above. Read all about Duncan Hunter, if you want to find out about the crooked politicians in office today
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Old 10-24-2006
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Re: Duncan Hunter (R) CA wants to censor CNN

Well I think if we take CNN previous actions, as in Jordan and his decision to overlook missing Iraqi employee they knew was torture and then gone! Then not say a damn thing (even denying they knew of anyone being tortured in Iraq on air to the American public) as not to jepordize there front row seat for the war. Now they are acting as Al Jazeera and airing whatever BS the terrorist send them, all this adds up too one thing. I'll let you'll draw what that is but they shouldn't be allowed to be embedded with our soldiers for they can't be trusted to act in the affirmative towards our society. Bernard Shaw said it best, "I'm a journalist to the world and a citizen second" paraphrasing a bit here on his return trip when the CIA ask him to be debrief.
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Old 10-24-2006
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Well I think if we take CNN previous actions, as in Jordan and his decision to overlook missing Iraqi employee they knew was torture and then gone! Then not say a damn thing (even denying they knew of anyone being tortured in Iraq on air to the American public) as not to jepordize there front row seat for the war. Now they are acting as Al Jazeera and airing whatever BS the terrorist send them, all this adds up too one thing. I'll let you'll draw what that is but they shouldn't be allowed to be embedded with our soldiers for they can't be trusted to act in the affirmative towards our society. Bernard Shaw said it best, "I'm a journalist to the world and a citizen second" paraphrasing a bit here on his return trip when the CIA ask him to be debrief.
I don't know what you are saying in the first part "his decision to overlook..." Who is he? What are you talking about?

At the end are you saying that the US press should not be free, but should be loyal to the US government?
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Old 10-26-2006
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Duncan Hunter wants to un-embed CNN from Iraq to punish them for showing the reality of war on TV. Hunter is a crook with ties to the Duke Cunningham scandal and will hopefully lose the election in two weeks to Iraq vet John Rinaldi (D).
Hey its the Cheerleader for Al Queda! The mouth from the LEFT Coast who knows little but keeps rattling on like a good little Liberal Commie!!

Were you proud of those Pictures? I have been to War and Snipers are a very serious problem and having Al Jareez set up the photos and CNN Broadcast them, is TREASON! They should be stripped of their Licence, removed form the infested property and the building burned, so CNN cockroaches don't spread!

Execs should be HUNG in Times Square, to send a message to future UN AMERICAN Liberal SCUM!

What do you think a Parent, Wife, Sibling etc.. thought seeing these Photos? YOU don't care as long as your little life goes well and you spread Stalinism in America, you are happy!!
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Old 10-26-2006
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Hey its the Cheerleader for Al Queda! The mouth from the LEFT Coast who knows little but keeps rattling on like a good little Liberal Commie!!

Were you proud of those Pictures? I have been to War and Snipers are a very serious problem and having Al Jareez set up the photos and CNN Broadcast them, is TREASON! They should be stripped of their Licence, removed form the infested property and the building burned, so CNN cockroaches don't spread!

Execs should be HUNG in Times Square, to send a message to future UN AMERICAN Liberal SCUM!

What do you think a Parent, Wife, Sibling etc.. thought seeing these Photos? YOU don't care as long as your little life goes well and you spread Stalinism in America, you are happy!!
From what I've heard about Stalin, free speech wasn't a big part of his platform.
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Old 10-27-2006
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on do you like seeing your soldiers die sam
Was that a rhetorical question?
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Old 10-27-2006
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I am of the opinion that a man who takes bribes is a crook.



Did you read the article I posted?



Hunter doesn't go for getting the troops the equipment they need, he'd rather give the money to the defense contractors who line his pockets. He's all part of the war profiteering we are seeing in this government today.

To me, that's a crook. What is your definition of a crook Chassisman?

The quotes are from the article I linked to above. Read all about Duncan Hunter, if you want to find out about the crooked politicians in office today
So the CLINTON'S are Criminals over and over and over, along with Bills Treason and Murder and Hillary's Murder and Land deals?? How many scum on the Left do you think have taken Bribes!!

Many of you think that this helps you to understand War, and You NEED to understand War blah, blah, blah!!

I have news for you little Libby's, YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE WAR UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL, AS I GUARANTEE YOU IT AIN'T PRETTY, AND NIGHTMARES WILL HAUNT YOUR LIVES!!

I said before that Media Outlets like CNN & NY Times are very very close to Treason and CNN may have crossed over!!

CLOSE THEM DOWN AND HANG THE EXECS IN TIMES SQUARE, WHERE CNN'S HEROS DIED ON 9/11 FLYING THE PLANES!!
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So the CLINTON'S are Criminals over and over and over, along with Bills Treason and Murder and Hillary's Murder and Land deals?? How many scum on the Left do you think have taken Bribes!!

Many of you think that this helps you to understand War, and You NEED to understand War blah, blah, blah!!

I have news for you little Libby's, YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE WAR UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL, AS I GUARANTEE YOU IT AIN'T PRETTY, AND NIGHTMARES WILL HAUNT YOUR LIVES!!

I said before that Media Outlets like CNN & NY Times are very very close to Treason and CNN may have crossed over!!

CLOSE THEM DOWN AND HANG THE EXECS IN TIMES SQUARE, WHERE CNN'S HEROS DIED ON 9/11 FLYING THE PLANES!!
How do you feel about free speech then?
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Old 10-27-2006
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on second thought i have to ask this question

do you like seeing your soldiers die sam?(not figuratlivley but literally) is that something you think we need to see? is that something that will improve matters and educate the public at the expense of the family of the person who is getting wacked on your tv set?

never for censorship but are you FOR this kind of show?
You ever watch a war movie? Do you LIKE seeing people getting killed? Ever see a movie with murder? Do you LIKE seeing people getting murdered/maimed? The only way you can be a good American is if you watch Friends. Censorship is underrated. Obviously, reporting on dead soldiers/showing the tapes is only good for getting anti-American, terrorist, bin Laden-supporting extremists horny until they climax in an orgy of fetus-killing delight. You wouldn't want to support the terrorists, right?
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Old 10-27-2006
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I'm against censorship but all for using good judgment. To show the actual deaths of humans in the 6:00 news isn't using good judgment, in my opinion. Do we have to see the violence to know it exists? Do we have to see someone getting shot to know they died?
We have had reports that the invasion of Iraq worsens terrorism and that there have been no substantially dangerous WMDs found. And yet, people still support Bush. The answer is obviously "not for some people."
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Is it fair to the family members to show the deaths?
I guess the soldier should have thought about that before he signed up for the armed forces.
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Granted, most of the younger generation would be unphased by seeing the deaths because they've grown up with the desensitizing violent movies, "reality" cop shows, etc., but most of the older generation doesn't need visuals in order to grasp the situation.
It's a shame that CNN is falling into the trap of sensationalism.
So don't watch it. Many people support Bush because they feel he is their living God (many right-wingers, ahem) and infallible. I don't think there is much that can change their minds on the matter.
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Old 10-27-2006
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well for me the difference is i was there

have seen people die up close

and dont think doing the bidding of our enemy (PR FOR THEM)
How long will people keep using this tired excuse? DON'T SHOW IT HELPS THE TERRORISTS!!!!! Here's an idea, don't torture people (Abu Ghraib, for instance) and the media will have less to show. If I don't want bad press, I don't shoot the reporter after I kill the pregnant woman; I don't kill the pregnant woman in the first place.
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is a thing that does their sacrifice good

yes we need not SHEILD the public from war

but showing coffins of dead soldiers without their families consent i am against (thus for the policy the pentagaon has imposed not to show them)
Wasn't that already discussed? Oh, that's right. The pro-censorship side lost.
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and i dont think anyone needs to see beheading, shootings or anything just my opinion. Think its about GOOD TASTE and respect for the dead and less about censorhship , and POLITICS as this thread is
I bet it's not in good taste to talk about crimes/objectionable actions committed by politicians and soldiers (Abu Ghraib, Foley, etc...). It only empowers the terrorists, right?
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Old 10-28-2006
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CNN Is on the enemies side reporting for the enemy against America.
Kicking there worthless asses out is not a freedom of speech violation. Lying for the enemy and spreading anti-American sentiment around the world is.
Who’s side are you on anyway? We need to tell the enemy that it is them who are wrong. Fuck…
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It all depends whether you believe the people own the government or that the government owns the people.
If the people own the government, they should see everything, because it's their government, and they are responsible for what it does.

If the government owns the people, it should protect them from this kind of thing and make sure that they see what they need to see to feel the way the government wants them to feel.
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Old 10-28-2006
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Duncan Hunter wants to un-embed CNN from Iraq to punish them for showing the reality of war on TV. Hunter is a crook with ties to the Duke Cunningham scandal and will hopefully lose the election in two weeks to Iraq vet John Rinaldi (D).
Right, reality of war? draging a dead solider through a street! haha. I'm sure some democrats found that amusing especially your fanatic anti-war/anti-American crowd.

If you need a TV to teach you the reality of war then your lost.
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