nice post!!!!

Most germane post in this thread. The title of the thread is a shining example of sophism.

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"You don't have to practice being miserable. Everything else we're gonna work on." - A wise Platoon Sgt.

wow good catch that was a quite nicely put post also

and quite cordial which isnt the norm

Oh, please. It's interesting to see this all come full circle. The "embed" project was supported by Republicans, the military and the right in the lead up and early years of the war. Why? The idea was that embedded journalists would get so emotionally and intimately close to the unit they were covering they would craft stories that emphasized their heroism. The experience of being in a war zone was meant to harden "liberal" journalists, maybe their lives would even be saved by a marine. The comraderie and emotional trauma of going through a war zone, but surviving creates the kinds of bonds that are undeniable and that would make objective journalism really impossible. Notice, in the early months of the Iraq war you NEVER heard about civillian casualties from embedded journalists. Only from the BBC or other non-embedded sources did you hear about the casualties of "Shock and Awe" for example.

Fast forward three years and the near uniform failure of the Iraq invasion project means that not even embedded journalists can ignore that this is Vietnam part II and suddenly the "embed" project is unnacceptable to the pro-military crowd.

If everyone's already desensitized to the realities of war without TV coverage, then how can TV coverage be seen as explosive or potentially problematic/demoralizing. You are caught in a Catch 22. You have to admit that the American people are emotionally reacting to the images of dead American soldiers in order to even start this conversation of whether the images should be censored. I thnk we all know, deep down, the vast majority of people have no clue what an actual war zone looks like, or the horrific things that bombs, shells and missiles can do to the human body. But hey, if you're right and only people who "don't have sense" aren't desensitized to these issues, then there shuold be no problem showing them.

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Yesterday, John McCain actually said that if he’s president he’ll take on, and I quote, 'the old boys’ network in Washington.' I’m not making this up. This is somebody been in Congress for 26 years, who put seven of the most powerful Washington lobbyists in charge of his campaign. And now he tells us that he’s the one who’s gonna take on the old boys' network,” he said. “In the McCain campaign that’s called a staff meeting!- Obama, 9/17/2008

Interesting. Doesn't really rebut the fact that un-embedding is really not censorship.

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"You don't have to practice being miserable. Everything else we're gonna work on." - A wise Platoon Sgt.

True, but the shift in message by the right wing on this question is a clear barometer of how the Sunni-Shia Civil War (previously known as U.S. invasion of Iraq) is going.

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Yesterday, John McCain actually said that if he’s president he’ll take on, and I quote, 'the old boys’ network in Washington.' I’m not making this up. This is somebody been in Congress for 26 years, who put seven of the most powerful Washington lobbyists in charge of his campaign. And now he tells us that he’s the one who’s gonna take on the old boys' network,” he said. “In the McCain campaign that’s called a staff meeting!- Obama, 9/17/2008

Slon you are, well if I were to say what I think you are I would likely get suspended, or at the very least some points. Perhopas we should show people who have died horribly in automobile crashes as well since well they should have thought about that possibility before getting in the car or putting thier kids in the car with them.

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The universe grows smaller every day and the threat of aggression by any group anywhere can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all or no one is secure... - Klaatu

THAT'S what this thread is about? Damn, gotta check the glasses. Was sure I read "censor CNN" in the thread title.

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"You don't have to practice being miserable. Everything else we're gonna work on." - A wise Platoon Sgt.

[quote=Gort;835977]Slon you are, well if I were to say what I think you are I would likely get suspended, or at the very least some points. Perhopas we should show people who have died horribly in automobile crashes as well since well they should have thought about that possibility before getting in the car or putting thier kids in the car with them.[/QUOT]

Yea...how dare a president use his military right?

Is everyone a victim to you gort? do you believe in personal responsiblity?

When you join the military you should know that THERE IS A CHANCE THAT YOU COULD GO TO WAR AND DIE. Who's fault would it be if a soldier went to war and died? the governments fault or the person that signed a contract that stated he or she would defend this country?????? If it was a draft situation i might be singing a different song but right now your pulling this ultra liberal "everyones a victim of america" bullshit.

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America’s political correctness is a disease that will bring down our once fine nation.

Swoop do you even know what position I have taken on this or did you just see my name and since I am making you look the fool on another thread, which to be honest hasn't been much of a challenge, decide you already knew my position on this issue. Do youself a favor. Take a deep breath and take your grey matter out for some excercize before simply replying to a post.

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The universe grows smaller every day and the threat of aggression by any group anywhere can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all or no one is secure... - Klaatu

They already do, don't they? On Ogrish.com, at least. In any case, when you get into an automobile, you are still a private citizen. When you sign up for the army, you become an extension of the government, which is funded by the people. Big difference since I feel the people who fund the government should know what the government is doing, and that includes the soldiers who waste our tax money to make Iraq a terrorist breeding ground.

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If a neocon whines about big government wealth redistribution, just ask him what he thinks about the portion of that big government that sends aid to Israel.

You may be a private citizen Slon but you are traveling on a public road and are hit by others who have recieved their licenses from a the state agency which recieves my tax dollars to operate and is suposed to ensure that only people who know what they are doing are driving.

Bottom line slon is that it is a private matter, whether you are killed in Iraq or on the street in front of your house. You as a citizen have a right to know how many people are killed in Iraq, or on the street in front of your house, but you have no right to view the gruesome details. There s no information you will gain from seeing the pictures that you don't gain from knowing the statistics.

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The universe grows smaller every day and the threat of aggression by any group anywhere can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all or no one is secure... - Klaatu

lol yea well then why were you trying to imply on your last post that soliders werent the ones to blame for there own demise?

Oh yea you couldnt make me look like a fool if you tried, you're too simple minded. I have seen your posts, most of them democratic propaganda with a grain of salt truth to them. You might think your making me look like a fool but you really arent.

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America’s political correctness is a disease that will bring down our once fine nation.

Yes and I pay money to a company, which pollutes into the air, and that air exists on this earth, so therefore I have a right to know what everyone who breathes the air on earth is doing. That is exactly the same relationship as someone who acts on my behalf with my money in another nation.

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If a neocon whines about big government wealth redistribution, just ask him what he thinks about the portion of that big government that sends aid to Israel.

You're right. You don't need his help in that department.

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If a neocon whines about big government wealth redistribution, just ask him what he thinks about the portion of that big government that sends aid to Israel.