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Classified Docs found in meth raid!!!!!

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- A drug raid on a Los Alamos scientist's home in New Mexico turned up what appeared to be classified documents taken from the nuclear weapons lab, the FBI said Tuesday.

Police discovered the documents at the scientist's home while making an arrest in a methamphetamine investigation, according to an FBI official in Washington who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the case.

The police alerted the FBI to the documents, prompting a federal search of the unidentified female scientist's home. The official would not describe the documents except to say that they appeared to contain classified material.
Now this is some scary stuff! A freakin tweak producer (and probably user) holding classified nuclear documents. I couldn't find anything more specific on what these docs contain (reasons seem obvious), but damn!!
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Re: Classified Docs found in meth raid!!!!!

She must've been making some really, really crazy meth.
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new brand of meth..."Duchess Nuk'em; Spike the day"
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Re: Classified Docs found in meth raid!!!!!

That is disturbing. An individual with both connections to the black market and in possession of nuclear documents is a terrible combination.
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That is disturbing. An individual with both connections to the black market and in possession of nuclear documents is a terrible combination.
I agree, I am very glad that they found the documents. Hopefully, there aren't any more that have already been sold, or whatever.
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Re: Classified Docs found in meth raid!!!!!

how long til someone says she is a republican or democrat
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how long til someone says she is a republican or democrat
Who cares? She's a tweaker traitor.
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Re: Classified Docs found in meth raid!!!!!

This could be far less serious then it sounds. A self-medicating scientist may have had documents at home for work. Or alternatively her roomate could have been selling drugs. Whats more the over-zealous completely irrational manner in which this government pursues drug arrests could mean that she could have simply been incorrectly named by a drug dealer trying to shorten his sentence.

Further, they simply said that the documents 'appeared' to be of a classified nature, although to your average beat cop, anything dealing with nuclear physics, or even physics more generally, chemistry, or biology at a post-doctoral level, would likely have that appearance.

For all we know they could be formulae and diagrams which represent her personal work to solving an equation, and could very well mean nothing to anyone except for her.

Simply put I don't trust some cop's, or DEA agent's estimation that a document 'looked classified' barring them seeing a giant red "classified" stamped on it.


The most probable cause IMHO...

Interrogator: If you give us information about your contacts you'll get a reduced sentence

Arrested Meth Dealer - Oh uh, yeah I know the person at *bullshit address* buys meth from me, I've gone there hundreds of times

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Police raid home knowing with a SWAT Team that drug dealers facing charges are the most reliable sources of information available

Cop 1 sees a piece of paper which says something about uranium, thinks back to the last hollywood movie he saw, and figures that this must be somekinda of international conspiracy, ignoring that its about, say, a containment plan for nuclear waste, flips out and calls the FBI, the media gets a hold of this and takes the cop and assumes his hollywood scenario must be reality and runs with it.

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Re: Classified Docs found in meth raid!!!!!

Honestly though, a nuclear physicist has access to multi-million dollar endeavours if they decided to engage in criminal behavior. Large quantities of them could likely build primitive or even moderately advanced nuclear weapons without needing to bring the paperwork with them. Why would any of them decide to meddle with the methamphetamine trade? Even if they didn't decide to engage in criminal behavior, their paychecks for being a nuclear physicist likely outweigh anything meth could earn them.

It wouldn't make a bit of economic sense.
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Further, they simply said that the documents 'appeared' to be of a classified nature, although to your average beat cop, anything dealing with nuclear physics, or even physics more generally, chemistry, or biology at a post-doctoral level, would likely have that appearance.
That might be possible. However, actual classified documents are clearly marked, on every page, as to their classification level.

Whether or not one understands the esoteric discussion of nuclear physics, chemistry, etc, it is pretty hard not to grasp the meaning of the big red "TOP SECRET" at the top and bottom of every page.

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That might be possible. However, actual classified documents are clearly marked, on every page, as to their classification level.

Whether or not one understands the esoteric discussion of nuclear physics, chemistry, etc, it is pretty hard not to grasp the meaning of the big red "TOP SECRET" at the top and bottom of every page.

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Yea but it is consider by some that 90% of things mark "Top Secret" isn't worth the paper its written on. Kind of like the idea of beuracrats creating jobs.
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Re: Classified Docs found in meth raid!!!!!

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Honestly though, a nuclear physicist has access to multi-million dollar endeavours if they decided to engage in criminal behavior. Large quantities of them could likely build primitive or even moderately advanced nuclear weapons without needing to bring the paperwork with them. Why would any of them decide to meddle with the methamphetamine trade? Even if they didn't decide to engage in criminal behavior, their paychecks for being a nuclear physicist likely outweigh anything meth could earn them.

It wouldn't make a bit of economic sense.
Well, just because they're smart, does not make them wise.

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That might be possible. However, actual classified documents are clearly marked, on every page, as to their classification level.

Whether or not one understands the esoteric discussion of nuclear physics, chemistry, etc, it is pretty hard not to grasp the meaning of the big red "TOP SECRET" at the top and bottom of every page.

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These are on a disc, I believe, so they would not have a "Top secret" stamp on them, per se.

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Yea but it is consider by some that 90% of things mark "Top Secret" isn't worth the paper its written on. Kind of like the idea of beuracrats creating jobs.
These "some" you speak of probably don't work in classified areas, or with highly classified documents. And they're probably the ones that get in trouble for not locking their glove boxes, safes and rooms. This is why there is such issues with security. They don't care about procedures or think that what is written isn't important. Maybe that one piece of paper is not all that important, but link it with another piece and you may have something that is.
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Well, just because they're smart, does not make them wise.
I just find it odd, that a physicist would decide to go into meth. A pharmacist, perhaps, but once we're in this field I think the criminal realm offers them something more... designed to their expertise?

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That might be possible. However, actual classified documents are clearly marked, on every page, as to their classification level.

Whether or not one understands the esoteric discussion of nuclear physics, chemistry, etc, it is pretty hard not to grasp the meaning of the big red "TOP SECRET" at the top and bottom of every page.

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Thats why I doubt a cop when he says it "appears to be classified" if he said he saw documents which "were marked classified/top secret/etc." it would have been more believable. If it "appears to be classified" it sounds like a judgement call.
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I just find it odd, that a physicist would decide to go into meth. A pharmacist, perhaps, but once we're in this field I think the criminal realm offers them something more... designed to their expertise?



Thats why I doubt a cop when he says it "appears to be classified" if he said he saw documents which "were marked classified/top secret/etc." it would have been more believable. If it "appears to be classified" it sounds like a judgement call.
Well, meth is the drug of choice in that area. The supporting community is a very poor community and has rampant drug use.

The phrase "appears to be classified" can mean that it is classified. If there is a "classified" stamp on it then it would "appear" to be classified. Just like when a storm is breaking up, people often say "It appears to be clearing". Also, these were on a computer, it was not "paper" so there could have been something in the file name that made the officer believe that it is classified.
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Well, meth is the drug of choice in that area. The supporting community is a very poor community and has rampant drug use.
Why would a scientist, presumably a nuclear physicist, be interested in the drug trade, particularly methamphetamines. They'd have the know how to make far more money on the black market, and even if they stuck to drugs, it would make more economic sense for them to be involved with cocaine, heroin, etc. due to higher profit margins when dealing with a wealthier drug base.

If the scientist was involved with meth it is far more likely that they were a consumer, considering that meth is simply a stronger (less safe since produced w/o controls) version of Adderall and similar medications. It is also sold as Desoxyn.

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The phrase "appears to be classified" can mean that it is classified. If there is a "classified" stamp on it then it would "appear" to be classified. Just like when a storm is breaking up, people often say "It appears to be clearing". Also, these were on a computer, it was not "paper" so there could have been something in the file name that made the officer believe that it is classified.
Perhaps, I'm still suspicious.
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