Sure, immediately after his execution!

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"It's a good feeling to shoot a bad guy. Something you democrats would never understand. Americans are homesteaders, we want a safe home, keep the money we make, and shoot bad guys!"

----Denny Crane

You're against the death penalty, but FOR the war?

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Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

- George Orwell, 1984

This one can be pretty easily explained : there's a marked difference between a soldier on the battlefield and a prisoner. Between soldiers there's an agreement, both sides are trying their hardest to kill the other, hence when one does kill the other it's considered fair game. When a soldier surrenders he is no longer part of that agreement, and hence must be treated differently. He has not ceased to be your enemy, and hence imprisonment is 'fair game' but killing him is no longer an option.

Saddam Hussein is no longer a soldier, we've removed his ability to give an order that results in someone's death. Therefore, he is a prisoner and should be treated as such.

How would he perform his community service after he is dead? We have actual, and pressing, concerns in that continent that could be dealt with by a person with that experience. Promoting the general welfare in Africa could result in lower levels of migration to the first world.

I see what you mean, but do you really want your tax dollars supporting his ass in prison? Killing is killing either way. I see no moral difference between killing someone on the field and killing someone under the law. It's killing.

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Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

- George Orwell, 1984

I don't see it that way at all. Killing someone on the battlefield is neutralizing a threat, self defense as it were. Killing someone under the law is more a matter of retribution, something I'm not sure that I can support. The self defense aspect has been satisfied, Saddam Hussein is neutralized. Anything done to him now is a matter of revenge, something I aspire to be above.

So, pay for his ass in prison - yup, I do.

Damn, I haven't read this thread.....You rock Rakkasan !

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

Dude, the Repulican party failed as soon as we started losing our grasp on the war, which was years ago and ignored so many important issues over here, leaving us over our heads in shit in both countries.

So you would rather put pride of victory per the cost of soldiers' lives because you don't want the US to be an embarassment to the world? You want soldiers to stay there (and continue to die as a result) until the job is done because you don't want the whole effort and lives lost from this war to go to waste? Didn't we learn our lessons from Nam? I guess not. There can never be peace until pride is put aside and we learn to take our loses. Pride shouldn't override the price of life, if a loss is at stake.

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Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

- George Orwell, 1984

So, following the murder of 3,000 people on 9/11, we should have just "taken our losses"?

(and no, I am not saying Iraq and 9/11 are connected, but questioning the philosophy)

Matt

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De duobus malis, minus est semper eligendum

Sorry but Iraq was not the reason for the Democrats winning, I don't care how the media plays it, it wasn't the reason.....I know because some friends along with myself voted for a few Democrats and we didn't do it because of Iraq. The local paper didn't think Iraq was the cause either...

If fact I think I'll start a poll, just out of curiosity, to see if people voted based on Iraq.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

LOL....Ok, how do you start a poll on this board? I don't see the "poll" option.

I'll shit myself if it's there.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

Time to change the underwear....

When you start a new thread, there is an option toward the bottom of the screen to "add a poll to this thread".

Matt

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De duobus malis, minus est semper eligendum

Undies changed.. ...and thanks.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

Doesn't matter. I was pointing out it wasn't only Iraq. Issues HERE were ignored and put on the backburner. Either way - they were incompetent.

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Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

- George Orwell, 1984

We did take our losses. Osama is ignored while Sadaam is put on trial instead while having nothing to do with 9/11.

What I am trying to conclude is pride should be put aside and should not override sacarfice if there is no plausible reason nor TRUE worth FOR that sacrafice.

I'm sure more people would support the downfall of Osama than Sadaam if we are talking about the connection with the attacks on 9/11.

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Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

- George Orwell, 1984