If we believe that the AA-77 Flight Data Recorder material officially released is correct, there was no plain hitting Pentagon, but it was somewhere - actually 440 feet above and not close to the route of something hitting Pentagon. The flight path was so demanding that even professional pilots question if that was possible to do the manouver and even hit the building. The arab mentioned - whose name was noy in the passenger list - did not even know how to fly a Cessna. It is difficult to investigate the whole issue as the government does everythinhg to prevent it and misslead the people.

www.pilotsfor911truth.com

The good thing about conspiracies is that they will help people to think and ask questions…….The bad about them is that people will get tired of the constant babble and will soon learn to ignore them all together, at that point people will no longer question what they are being told.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

Exactly - this once happened in the Soviet Union. People criticized the government, but then they gave up and took as facts everything delivered from the party / KGB. Finally the governmental truth was a holly thing and everybody criticizing it was seen as a complete fool and conspirator. Even ordinary people were blaming those who had their own brains. And government exploited the situation and just told more and more crazy lies.

Welcome USA to the same kind of world. I can tell you that in Europe we would not listen a single second that kind of b-t what e.g. has been told to you about 911 from CIA / Hawks..

Somehow I doubt that.....Many foreigners on this board for example seem to disregard the conspiracy stories.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

I was not talking about the conspiracy theories, but if you filter out those and think what the government has said about those events - it is just so transparent b-s. And the 911 Commission lawyers confirming that everybody lied. The luggage in a wrong plane containing the names of 19 hi-jackers, the names of which were not in the passenger lists, the names which were not real (at least 11 alive or dead earlier - the rest have been working for CIA), air defence sleeping, CIA knew all the time and prevented arrests before, war games and D Cheney controlling everything, warnings to travel to some people, shares deals, no Israelies in WTC, at least 10 warnings from abroad mentioning the exact time, but governments said that they did not have any idea, Bush sitting in the school even after the 2nd hit (he knew exactly what happened), attempts to prevent all the investigations, Kissinger leading the hearings, destroying all the evidence (WTC ruins, black boxes, videos, air control tapes, etc) ... there are hundreds of EVIDENCES that your government has made a biggest crime and lie ever imagined. And what the people is doing - blaming the foreigners when they are laughing. If you browse the net, you will mostly see foreign experts who have analyzed the materials.

And all this after so many investigations have proved that the list of Gov/CIA:s conspiracies is just endless: WTC1993, athrax, Northwoods, G. Tonkin, P Harbor, Liberty, 7/7 London, liquid bombs, and many many other.

Im sure Europe enjoys you speaking for a continent of 500 million people--from the coasts of Portugal to Red Square, the fjords to the nude beaches.

I dont see the b.s. You can clearly see two planes hitting the Twin Towers. What would be the point in faking the attack on the Pentagon? And what of those many dead in that field?

The US leaders have always had one big problem - the people of USA don't understand how important is WAR - it is necessary for war, oil and drug industry which again are financing the political system and campaigns of presidents - and every elected president should pay the money back to those industries by initiating a war. As mentioned in the PNAC, only a new Pearl Harbor will make sure that the people are ready to pay and approve war. The new research has shown that P Harbor was Roosevelts trick to enter the European war (see here Historical D...) - 88% of Americans were against the war but 0% after P Harbor. The Northwoods was similar plan to attack against Cuba - by shooting down US airplane and accuse Cubans... but it was revealed.

Similarily 911 was needed to implement the strategy well described in the PNAC to twist Americans to pay and approve the war in Middle East even if there was no any reason to attack those independent countries ... also UN made the mistake when accepting the attack to Afghanistan, but in the Iraq's case they already understood. Europe has known this crimninal situation all the time... as we learnt the similar strategies by Hitler. The purpose was to use 911 also to attack Iran, but Amadinejad told this to the world too early and now it is difficult.

The US Hawks and CIA tried several small tricks - smaller bombs, anthrax, etc. but they were too small cases to change the opinions of people. Only after 911 the war and oil industry got what it wanted ... WAR. Sorry to say that.

Eisenhower: In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of
unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial
complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will
persist.

Everybody should read this article on the American elite and its relations to war industry and decision-making - a dangerous formula!

http://www.projectcensored.org/downl...ance_Group.pdf

Leo Strauss et al neo-conservatists:
"The belief that Democracy, however flawed, was best defended
by an ignorant public pumped on nationalism and religion. Only a
militantly nationalist state could deter human aggression …Such
nationalism requires an external threat and if one cannot be found it must
be manufactured."

And if you want to know for sure who organized 911, see the p. 15 of the above document - everybody knew the coming 911 farce long before (especially the Israelies working in the WTC). And see who collected the billions from 911 - see p. 18 ... and read how much the US Government Hawks earned as they go hand-in-hand with the military complex.

One would be stupid to not realize that the U.S. government is up to some under the table, dark shit. Area 51, the CIA, FBI, etc. We know NOTHING about what our own popularly elected government does. But that under the table, dark shit keeps this country going. It has kept the country safe, prosperous, and we have freedoms not available in most of the world. Not to mention that the whole Pearl Harbor thing saved parts of Asia and all of Western Europe.

But....Democrat, Republican--who are we supposed to vote for to stop this if we wanted to? Both major parties are tied up with corporations, special interests, etc. Money runs this country. Its our God. It says it on the money for christsakes.

Both candidates are apart of the same secret clubs, went to the same schools, know the same people etc. What is anyone supposed to do about this if it were to be proved? There would be not a single thing anyone could ever do about it because if this were true---it is so ingrained and powerful that it could never be stopped. America is so vast, so powerful, and its economy is so huge--we are the worlds greatest consumer. We need these dark and secret entities to keep us afloat unfortunaley. You cant simply rid the country of these powerful corporations, big business, and special interests because that would be like burning millions of dollars for a politician.

This of course is all conspiracy. And until these things ruin my life and damage this country---whatever.

here's the hightlight of your post

AWESOME!

Iraq War had 3 main motivations:

1. Political: it was Bush's only hope to make his re-election even remotely possible.

2. Financial: Corporations needed/got a cash cow.

3. Ideological: NeoCons wanted to show how Vietnam could have been won.

What?!? You've maintained up until now that Bush never had any worries about re-election, because of the "coup".

Have you finally abandoned that nonsense?

Matt

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is it not the truth? This country would not be the pinacle of greatness in the world if it wasnt for these people.

I couldn't say. I've never met Mr. dark shit.

Anyways, of course I understood what you meant and I 100% disagree with this neo-con philosophy.

Bad people that do dark shit keep this world in the dark.

It is a fantasy to suggest that 'dark entities' must engage in 'dark actions' in order to ensure the safety and security of the world.

Someone that buys into that becomes a slave. Those are the bad people that make the world dark and they are the reason there is a need for saftey and security. Don't buy into a lie.

Matt (161),

In order to make it close enuff for Rove to steal (Ohio) he needed a war.

You DO know that is acknowledged to be a main motivation for Iraq, surely?