Ever seen a radio controlled jet? They're really cool to watch!
The guys will fly them low over the runway for the crowd but it's almost impossible to capture an image of it even with a video camera because they're flying at about 200 miles/hr. And those are just models!!!

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The minimum requirement for an honest flight accident investigation is that the black boxes will be handed over to professional laboratory and then the material released to impartial experts. This has not been done. The pictures of plane parts came to the net much later - only when many people argued that there was no plane. I don't believe that these pictures are from Pentagon. Also the stories of some eye wittnesses sound very much fabricated - they are reading a ready made text.... "I am a airplane engineer and was driving towards the airport when I saw AAL 77 Boeing 757 flying very low and hitting Pentagon" ... such stories are not useful for crime investigation.

When the hole at the wall is analyzed, you would expect that major part of the plane would be outside - on the lane. There have been several accidents where an airplane has hit a big building (e.g. in Amsterdam). Parts of airplane can be seen easily everywhere - they don't disappear. In Pentagon, I have not seen any fragments of a big airplane. I have not seen any other evidence on a plane and the information from the flight controllers is confusing.

Where are the passengers of AAL 77 then if not there. I was told that the flights had for some odd reason only half of the normal amount of passengers. The passengers were put to one plane (from 4 planes to two?) - one of planes was shot down in Pensylvania. Some models suggest that the planes landed to a military base and passengers were shifted to one plane there. Who knows. Where is the evidence?

Anyway, nobody has been accused on the hi-jacking. The list with arab names was shown to be fake. There were no arab names on the passenger lists - the names were "found" from a suitcase with koran and this is a clear fabrication. Who were the pilots - ground controlling computers?

Alright, you guys. I just looked at both videos. I replayed each of them several times and I noticed some peculiarities. So I zoomed in on both videos to get a closer view. In the video that shows the squad car in the foreground I noticed that, at 1:27, the ENTIRE field of view goes much brighter, then darkens again. It isn't until the view darkens again that you see the explosion. I also noticed a small pinkish-red flash appear on the visible side of the building, but it doesn't balloon outward or expand like I'd expect a flaming wash of jet fuel to do if the airliner had hit from the "back" side of the building, which, if the jetliner had hit square on as the alleged skid marks on the lawn had indicated it did, would have propelled a flaming wash of jet fuel towards the video camera that captured the explosion.

In the other video I also saw the object coming in from the left to the right and then there is the explosion. What I found interesting was another object also came in the same direction as the first object immediately following the explosion. If you right click on your mouse and zoom in on the image of the second object you will see it appear to momentarily disappear into the cloud of smoke, only to reappear on the right side of the cloud of smoke, and it appears that it has travelled through the cloud of smoke, not behind nor in front of it.

I'm not making any conclusions as of yet, but I'll be looking at both images more closely later this evening. Also, have any of you weapon afficiondos ever noticed how you can actually see the streak of a bullet travelling away from you when you're standing directly behind the person shooting the weapon? That's been my experience, yet I didn't see any sign of a plane approaching the Pentagon in the first video that I looked at, and there was a full minute and twenty seven plus seconds of video before you see the explosion. There should have been a view of the plane for a substantial period of time as it approached the building before it hit- especially if it was descending, even at a low angle, before it struck the building.
If I'm anything I'm not a conspiracist, but something just isn't right about the images presented in those two videos, and I'll be reviewing them again, repeatedly, using the zoom function and manually stopping the videos at various times just before, during and after the explosions. I'll be looking for any and all peculiarities in the images- and I've already found a couple.

Gem

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I continue to find it hilarious that, like in the previous two posts, the main arguments for a conspiracy start with sentences such as "i was told", and "something just isnt right". It is so funny that something thinks they can zoom a youtube video to prove that accident investigation experts, the 911 commission, and thousands of people who have been eyewitness and industry experts are all involved in a massive conspiracy. Just accept it and move on people.

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The most ironic thing about conspiracy theories is that they generally produce no actual, viable theories of events based on any sort of fact. Almost invariably, everyone says "well I just can't accept X and Y about what I've been told. In fact, too many people have too many questions so I believe {insert absurd violation of Ockham's Razor here}."

That is to say, coming up with conspiracy theories is simple. Just find a few questionable details, make up whatever preposterous story you want, and claim hysterically that it must be true and that anyone who doesn't see it has been brainwashed. Ta-da!

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Not true, if it's coming towards you as the video in which you see the squad car seems to indicate. Also, how high above the ground does the tail section of a plane like flight 77 rise above the ground when it's on the ground, and how tall is the Pentagon? Just curious for comparison purposes- I'm wondering if the tail section flight 77 would have been visible during any period of time in the minute and 27 seconds of the video before we see the explosion erupt?

Gem

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Ummm, have you ever tried it? Then don't tell me it isn't true.

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Hate to have to tell you this but your stance is the one I've held since 9/11 myself. Got into some arguments and lost a couple of friends who didn't agree with my opinion of the matter too. I just noticed the peculiarities in the images today, after looking at them. In fact, being rather computer illiterate I didn't even know that you could right click the mouse and zoom in on the images until kitty stepped on the mouse and I saw the window that held the zoom function, which of course, being the inquisitive creature that I am, I had to see what would happen if I clicked on zoom and that is what I saw.

Gem

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Yes, I have, actually. I used to use a telescope at about 25-30X to watch the faces of pilots as they approached the runway just for shits and grins. The expressions on the pilots faces can be hilarious! When the plane is coming towards you- or away- all you have to do is keep turning the focus as it approaches or recedes from you to keep the plane in focus. You're correct if the plane is travelling sideways to you, then it is almost impossible to capture an image of the plane with a video or digital camera, unless you're using a shutter speed of 1/1000 of second and even then you gotta be good! Whatever magnification you're using will also speed up the apparent motion of an object by the same factor as the magnification- which is why an image of an astronomical object will appear to travel faster through the field of view than it will to the naked eye. But that rule of thumb only applies if the object is travelling more or less sideways to you. It doesn't work that way if it's coming towards or away from you. Watch the road in front of you through a pair of binoculars while you're riding in a car with a friend and you'll see what I mean. Then look through the binoculars out the side window. You'll definitely see the difference!

Gem

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Has anybody ever told you that the only dumb question is the one that's never asked?

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There's a helluva difference between asking questions and this:
By the way, how is the plane .. umm, alleged plane supposed to come towards the video from the road block thingie camera?

Yes, I'm well versed in cliches. But a question is not a theory.

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Do you have me on ignore? I provided you with a video clip from the Pentagon and I provided you with a Purdue University simulation. The eight seconds of grainy, black and white video you presented proves nothing to me. Like you, I don't see a plane in that eight second clip, but I also don't see any building. I see a bunch of cars on a highway and in a parking lot and then some smoke appears in the background. At least in the video clip I provided you can see something approaching the pentagon and then an explosion.

"...you guys are left with ignorant, stupid, retarded responses..." - your insults have been noted.

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Planes don't leave a 16 foot hole through Three levels...besides where is the plane? the people, the luggage, the engines...etc.

But missiles or global hawks with them do.

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Nope, the hole was 16' across, what you saw was what the fire did to the building afterwards ...after it burned.
The original hole was 16' across and it was punched through the levels.

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