I'll try this once. I doubt it will work, but here it goes.

On 9/11/2001, I was at Montgomery County, Maryland fire station 29, where a FEMA USAR team is based. People I know personally responded to the Pentagon, where they were working in the rubble with parts of airplane wreckage.

I even posted a pic for you in the thread, of engine parts.

Your claim that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon is plain bullshit.

Matt

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That one or when your friends calls you at your haouse and asks "Dude, where are you?" or when it's 100 plus degrees and someone asks "Hot enough for ya?" There are many dumb questions.

WOW! You're good! I didn't know anyone, until you, that could move the scope properly to maintain a good look at them. Simply due to the fact that 1/16th of an inch on your end could be several hundred feet at distance. Not to mention keeping them in focus at the speed in which they are going.

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The Bijlmer incident (Amsterdam) isn't comparable. The El Al pilot was trying to land and flew slowly while the hijackers hit the Pentagon full throttle. Compare a car accident at 20 mph with one at 100mph
Neither was it a head on collision as in the case of the Pentagon. It flew sideways and basically hit the appartment building with a wing.

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I did the maths on the hole/plane thingy a while ago on this very site. It's somewhere in the archives if you're interested. Bottom line was that the hole is consistent with the type of plane and the angle at which it hit the pentagon.

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at least entertain us with a new conspiracy every once in awhile...this one is getting old.
I have one serious point....frames per minute.

Your right, I am good with a scope. Work with anything long enough and frequently enough and you're bound to become good at it. Same principle applies to firearms too- and plopping top-water bass plugs where you want 'em too! A solid and stable mount and a smooth rack and pinion focusing device helps a lot though. Actually, the distance we were from the planes as they came in for landing provided a rather deep depth of field at the magnification we were using so it wasn't all that difficult to keep the cockpit in focus, though you had to keep turning the focus knobs as you were viewing.

Gem

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I have several pictures from a good friend who was a first responder and was on site pretty much continually for several weeks after. Some of his pictures are simply amazing, and he did take several pictures of different airplane parts that were pulled out. I won't post them, however, because they belong to him and I have no right to distribute them.

And how the hell could there have only been a sixteen foot hole regardless of whether it was a missile or a plane? A missile if anything would have done much more damage to the first ring and not penetrated as deep because they are designed to explode on impact. If it was the type of missile that was designed to detonate after penetrating the structure, the damage would have been centralized in the inner rings.

Of course there is then the trajectory from which the building was hit. A missile flies in a general arc, however what hit the Pentagon flew in at a relatively flat angle, one that is not consistent with the flight of a missile.

Crystal, you showed me an explosion. We all know about the explosion. We'd like to see a plane actually hitting the Pentagon. The Pentagon is fortified with cameras and you can't show me a plane.

None of you can show me a plane and never will.

Wheres the plane? The plane!

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As the wings and the tail did not break the wall, where are they? Even the engines did not go through as there was only one hole in the center where the body of the plane was. Thus, the engines disappeared also.

I don't believe in any stories saying that there were plane parts around - I have not seen any in the numerous pictures from the place. The nice principle is that if there is no evidence to show, there is no evidence.

It is the same with the Pennsylvania crash - the plane has clearly been shot down as the fragments are all over and no wreck can be seen.

Where is the plane? But if there was some plane, many other questions remain:

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It is likely, but unprovable, that some form of remote control technology was used to steer Flight 77 into the nearly empty, recently reconstructed part of the Pentagon. Even an expert pilot substituted for flight school dropout and alleged terrorist Hani Hanjour would not have made the amazing flight pattern to minimize casualties on the ground by hitting the nearly empty part of the Pentagon.
Whether or not remote control was used, the primary issues are:

* why the plane was not intercepted (even after the second tower was hit),
* how it hit the nearly empty part of the Pentagon, and
* why planes scrambled from Norfolk flew the wrong way (over the ocean) and were too late to protect the headquarters of the Trillion Dollar Air Force.

And why the black boxes have not been given to the professionals - they have been found but kept secret....
"Pentagon missile" hoax distracts and discredits the 9/11 skeptics

Precisely. Because you don't want to see it, and will claim not to have seen it even when it has been clearly shown to you.

Matt

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Matt, you underestimate the midgets. I don't think conspiracy theorists are midgets - however, there is evidence that the midgets are at the origin of the whole thing. Here's my proof:

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ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Matt

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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wow that is awesome

I was going to post a picture of a plane but I kept getting an upload error.

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