Show goes on and the Americans are paying all the time - vey much.

This is a MUST article to read - if you are interested to know what is the status of all the theories:

The 9/11 Conspiracy Theories (We Must Have A New And Completely Independent Investigation Into The Events Of 9/11)

I can sum up the "status of all the (conspiracy) theories" in two words:

They're shit.

Just saved a whole lot of people a whole lot of reading nonsense.

Matt

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Can you support this with any historical or investigative documents? Bin Laden had already declared war with the United States prior to September 11th, prior to even Bush's election. Also, I have never found any conclusive evidence (and likely never will on any internet source) of collaboration between the American government or the CIA with Al Qaida. Sources?

The text of PNAC's strategy is different that you present it. And while the words of the report and your words may be synonymous to some people, there are different implications. The document says "the process of transformation [of US military into tomorrow's dominant force], even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor." Certainly, 9/11 provided some extraordinary cards for the neo-conservatives to play, but that is far from evidence that they orchestrated the crime.

I have to agree that Bush has certainly lived up our military-industrial complex. Hell, the Bush family has had ties to the arms industry and its affiliates since World War 1.

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Just try and keep in perspective what Americans are conditioned to forget. It was to be a 7 year war against terrorist nations. They knew very well when there’s a republican in office, the consequences are way to high to chance harming an American… Blame them…

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Well spoken, sir!

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Following the Path of the Beam

dude look, if this is your piece of pie fine...I slink away from making personal observations here in the forums because I don't truly know you and don't enjoy being what we used to call in NYC "telephone" or now “Internet " tough guys that talk crap knowing they never have to live up to their words...anyway..if you truly believe this, I would say you may want to look into some education, books etc. on critical thinking....alright? what can I say?

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What's that smell? Smells like...hmm...denial. Yup, that's it, denial...Stinks in here

>Luap: I have never found any conclusive evidence (and likely never will on any internet source) of collaboration between the American government or the CIA with Al Qaida. Sources?

Here you will find good articles on the CIA - Al Qaida connections:

The Truth behind 9/11: Who Is Osama Bin Laden?

quote (Michel Chossudovsky "War on Terrorism"):
It was consequently crucial for the development of a coherent antiwar and civil rights movement, to reveal the nature of Al Qaeda and its evolving relationship to successive US adminstrations. Amply documented but rarely mentioned by the mainstream media, Al Qaeda was a creation of the CIA going back to the Soviet-Afghan war. This was a known fact, corroborated by numerous sources including official documents of the US Congress. The intelligence community had time and again acknowledged that they had indeed supported Osama bin Laden, but that in the wake of the Cold War: "he turned against us".
After 9/11, the campaign of media disinformation served not only to drown the truth but also to kill much of the historical evidence on how this illusive "outside enemy" had been fabricated and transformed into "Enemy Number One".
The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) using Pakistan's military Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) played a key role in training the Mujahideen. In turn, the CIA sponsored guerrilla training was integrated with the teachings of Islam.
Pakistan's ISI was used as a "go-between". The CIA covert support to the "jihad" operated indirectly through the Pakistani ISI, --i.e. the CIA did not channel its support directly to the Mujahideen.
Yet according to Abdel Monam Saidali, of the Al-aram Center for Strategic Studies in Cairo, bin Laden and the "Afghan Arabs" had been imparted "with very sophisticated types of training that was allowed to them by the CIA".
In other words, backed by Pakistan's military intelligence (ISI) which in turn was controlled by the CIA, the Taliban Islamic State was largely serving American geopolitical interests. The Golden Crescent drug trade was also being used to finance and equip the Bosnian Muslim Army (starting in the early 1990s) and the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA).
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Consortiumnews.com

quote:
A large body of evidence already existed supporting the view that the Bushes and the bin-Ladens have long operated with a symbiotic relationship that may be entirely unspoken but nevertheless has been a case of each family acting in ways that advance the interests of the other.
Privately, Bush’s neoconservative advisers were chafing under what they saw as the complacency of the American people unwilling to take on the mantle of global policeman as the world’s sole superpower. The neocons hoped for some “Pearl Harbor” incident that would galvanize a public consensus for action against Iraq and other “rogue states.”


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Osama bin Laden: Made in USA

quote (Jared Israel: Osama bin Laden - Made in USA)
According to the Times, bin Laden et al were CIA employees, given the best training, arms, facilities, and lots of cash for many years.
Let's imagine that bin Laden et al are still CIA employees. Could it be that the missile attack was not intended to destroy bin Laden or his supporters? Could it be the attack was intended to build respect for bin Laden among Muslims who oppose the U.S. government? To lend him credibility as a serious opponent of U.S. domination?
And/or is bin Laden's new assignment perhaps to be a bogey-man of convenience whom the U.S. government can link to any government it wishes to bomb? U.S. gave these vicious terrorists more than $6 billion in the first place.

There’s none so deaf as those that will NOT hear…or, in the land of the blind the eyed man is king………please…sir, seek a nunnery, or a seminary..

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Told you I could smell denial

Only one question, Damas e Cavalheiros.

If it was not Flight 77, then where are the passengers from said flight?

Technically, it is "excrement discharged from the intestines."

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No, no, no no....

Just show me the damn plane, then we won't have to visit these ponderments.

It's not about "If this and that, then why that and this?"

I'm just taking this from the starting point - there was no plane.

Concede that you have no proof (as we do for both plane crashes on the WTC towers) that a plane hit the pentagon.

Let's just stay there and draw a conclusion. We are going to do this scientifically.

Sooo... If you want to move on, simply say that the Pentagon, the nerve center of the world's largest and mightiest military power, that is fortified with cameras can't reveal any video footage of a plane hitting the Pentagon.

You need to come to that conclusion first.

Strange enough that you say this, considering you certainly did not have enough time to read and analyze the sources provided by Analyst. I don't know what is more dangerous: blindly accepting the sources or blindly refuting them?

Analyst: I recall reading several of these articles in the past (I once read essentially the whole Emperor's New Clothes website) but I have yet to ever read them critically, so that'll take some time. I'll get back to you on them; if this thread becomes too hard to follow, I'll probably follow up with a PM or something.

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No man is an island...
Each man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in Mankind.
And therefore, never send to know
For whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.
—John Donne