"You're killing me Smalls."

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843rd Bomb Wing - Strategic Air Command
"Peace is our Profession"

"Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is Divine. . . . Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants.
" - James Wilson, U. S. Supreme Court Justice and Signer of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution

...and that is what is so wrong with it

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Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

- George Orwell, 1984

What is messed up is you would rather support financially any effort to protect your own back yard and your own personal security that has nothing to do with your security in the first place.

Also, take away welfare and see what you get. A worse situation for YOUR personal security Good luck

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Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

- George Orwell, 1984

Just how are the Dems going to be cutting the pork? when a large number of the pork programs are theirs?

It's all done with smoke and mirrors.

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843rd Bomb Wing - Strategic Air Command
"Peace is our Profession"

"Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is Divine. . . . Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants.
" - James Wilson, U. S. Supreme Court Justice and Signer of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution

Yeah, heaven forbid that anyone would take the concept of personal responsibility seriously.

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843rd Bomb Wing - Strategic Air Command
"Peace is our Profession"

"Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is Divine. . . . Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants.
" - James Wilson, U. S. Supreme Court Justice and Signer of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution

That is what I thought,,, also let us not forget about taking programs off budget.......
I just love how the extra money that the government had in the summer of 2000 was gone by Dec of that same year.....

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

How can you want to support the security in this country when you don't even want to support the security of the poor in it? Make up your minds.

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Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

- George Orwell, 1984

I think you are confusing "Helping the poor" and "supporting the poor".
I personally have no problem in helping those when they need it....But I don't want to support them.
There are far too many that are living off of welfare and that are not working...This is bullshit. People need to be responsible for themselves.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

You do realize that you are supporting the Iraqi people through your federal taxes, right?

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Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

- George Orwell, 1984

Only for a time, it won't be forever.

Do you know how many nations get our money ?

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

This is from the US Census Bureau:

Table 1
Patterns of Welfare and Work in Households, by Parental Status

Non-parent Married Single All households
Total (000) 35,098 27,102 9,888 72,088
Worked 88.0 93.4 61.1 86.4
Welfare and work3.9 4.6 18.8 6.2
Welfare only 2.7 1.1 16.9 4.1
No work or wel 5.4 0.9 3.1 3.4

More recipients worked. This is from 2000, but I doubt it has changed that much. I'll try to find more recent info

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Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

- George Orwell, 1984

The program started in the 60's and was somewhat reformed in the 90's. To see its impact you need to look at before and after numbers.

The article that I posted in the linked thread has those figures as they pertained to those hit the hardest, blacks.

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843rd Bomb Wing - Strategic Air Command
"Peace is our Profession"

"Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is Divine. . . . Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants.
" - James Wilson, U. S. Supreme Court Justice and Signer of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution

I'm not sure whether it would make a difference in the census, but my ex-sister in law was on welfare, would work 1 to 2 months and then go back on welfare....Welfare wouldn't cut her off because of the kids.

I can only assume that she would have falling into the work and collected welfare statistics. Which would be false.
I also see many people on welfare that sign up to work as temps and quit jobs after a few days, I am sure they'd be considered "Worked and collected" too.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.