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Old 01-04-2007
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Re: Democrats cut Billions in Pork

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Just how are the Dems going to be cutting the pork? when a large number of the pork programs are theirs?
Most pork was Republican, the amount of pork has gone up 300% since the GOP took over.
It's simple really, Democrats believe that government is an important part of society with a vital role to play, and they run it like that.

Republicans think government is a waste of money, and they run it like that.
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Old 01-04-2007
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Most pork was Republican, the amount of pork has gone up 300% since the GOP took over.
It's simple really, Democrats believe that government is an important part of society with a vital role to play, and they run it like that.

Republicans think government is a waste of money, and they run it like that.
Wow! I guess we found out who gets to carry Nancy Pelosi's jock strap now.
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Wow! I guess we found out who gets to carry Nancy Pelosi's jock strap now.

Damn funny.
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I think you are confusing "Helping the poor" and "supporting the poor".
I personally have no problem in helping those when they need it....But I don't want to support them.
There are far too many that are living off of welfare and that are not working...This is bullshit. People need to be responsible for themselves.
I got a warning from OSHA. They told me that if I carried any more deadbeats on my back, I'd have to install handrails.
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Re: Democrats cut Billions in Pork

You GOP lackeys are still in a state of disbelief, huh?
It's hard enough to digest the stunning defeat of American forces by the Iraqi insurgency, but the end of Republican political dominance came so quickly, six years with the House, Senate and White House, and it's all over for another 70 years. Gosh you guys are bad.............
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You GOP lackeys are still in a state of disbelief, huh?
It's hard enough to digest the stunning defeat of American forces by the Iraqi insurgency, but the end of Republican political dominance came so quickly, six years with the House, Senate and White House, and it's all over for another 70 years. Gosh you guys are bad.............
Remarks such as that make me hate voting for a democrat.......
Maybe starting in 2008, I will vote strickly by the R's.
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Remarks such as that make me hate voting for a democrat.......
Maybe starting in 2008, I will vote strickly by the R's.
I can tolerate the remarks, its the neverending assault on my paycheck that prevents me from voting for them.
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What is messed up is you would rather support financially any effort to protect your own back yard and your own personal security that has nothing to do with your security in the first place.

Also, take away welfare and see what you get. A worse situation for YOUR personal security Good luck
Yes take away welfare and see what we get, a lower tax rate that boosts economic output which creates more jobs which employes more people and forces those who don't wish to work to support themselves to work anyways because the free money teet has been sucked dry.
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You GOP lackeys are still in a state of disbelief, huh?
It's hard enough to digest the stunning defeat of American forces by the Iraqi insurgency, but the end of Republican political dominance came so quickly, six years with the House, Senate and White House, and it's all over for another 70 years. Gosh you guys are bad.............
Sorry Goober, but the Republicans controlled the Congress for 12 years, not 6. And given Pelosi's "100 hour no debate" dictatorial start, Republicans should be back in on 2008.
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Yes take away welfare and see what we get, a lower tax rate that boosts economic output which creates more jobs which employes more people and forces those who don't wish to work to support themselves to work anyways because the free money teet has been sucked dry.
And what do you suppose will happen to the disabled and mentally ill? Even if regular, abled people went back to work, there is STILL going to be people who aren't working for whatever reason. You don't seem to understand that ridding taxes and programs is the worst thing you could possibly do. It will not create more jobs and a booming economy. It will create another Great Depression - that is pretty much where it will lead us (again). And even if they did create some more jobs, then the prices will go up. I thought that you or someone here had told me that the more money a business has to spend on employee wages, the higher prices go up. Again, make up your mind. We will be in the same situation as before and eventually, even in a worse situation because you KNOW that the businesses aren't going to fork out money to support the people who STILL aren't working and aren't able to work. Private charity can only do so much AND people need a steady income.
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And what do you suppose will happen to the disabled and mentally ill? Even if regular, abled people went back to work, there is STILL going to be people who aren't working for whatever reason. You don't seem to understand that ridding taxes and programs is the worst thing you could possibly do. It will not create more jobs and a booming economy. It will create another Great Depression - that is pretty much where it will lead us (again). And even if they did create some more jobs, then the prices will go up. I thought that you or someone here had told me that the more money a business has to spend on employee wages, the higher prices go up. Again, make up your mind. We will be in the same situation as before and eventually, even in a worse situation because you KNOW that the businesses aren't going to fork out money to support the people who STILL aren't working and aren't able to work. Private charity can only do so much AND people need a steady income.
Wow, your inability to understand basic economics continues to dazzle me. How is cutting taxes going to create another great depression? Cutting taxes (as recently demonstrated by the Bush Tax cuts) is a time proven strategy for stimulating the economy, because when less money is taken out of peoples pay checks they have more money to spend, when they buy more things buisnesses get to sell more things which means they need more employees to help build, transport, stock, invent, and sell those items, thus the more you cut the tax burden the better the economy performs.

If in such an economic environment someone chooses not to work for whatever reason then they are in no way entitled to a steady income. The final portion of the equation, the sick, ill, diabled etc make up such a small percentage of welfare reciepients that I'm sure charity can make great strides in helping, as well as numerous medical aid programs.
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Because an economy that "booms" too high creates more investors and when the market ever dips those investors lose out and lose their money, then it falls on the banks too and banks and businesses start going out of business. Then all those jobs you claim that were created are now lost again. What are you going to do with those people who would have needed welfare and unemployment from losing their jobs, now that aid is gone?
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Because an economy that "booms" too high creates more investors and when the market ever dips those investors lose out and lose their money, then it falls on the banks too and banks and businesses start going out of business. Then all those jobs you claim that were created are now lost again. What are you going to do with those people who would have needed welfare and unemployment from losing their jobs, now that aid is gone?
You know sometimes I wonder if you actually arn't being serious and are just making up silly little statements that don't make sense just to see how people react to you.

The economic expansion resulting from tax cuts enabled by the slashing or elimination of welfare programs would be entirely controlable. The only industries that would probably be negatively impacted are the malt liquor, custom rims, and neighborhood crack industries. Other then that the US economy would benefit greatly from from a serious cutting back of these ill thought out entitlement programs.
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You GOP lackeys are still in a state of disbelief, huh?
It's hard enough to digest the stunning defeat of American forces by the Iraqi insurgency, but the end of Republican political dominance came so quickly, six years with the House, Senate and White House, and it's all over for another 70 years. Gosh you guys are bad.............
I think your crystal ball may need adjustment...if you think that the dems are going to capture the WH in a walk, in 08, I would think again real long and hard....
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I think your crystal ball may need adjustment...if you think that the dems are going to capture the WH in a walk, in 08, I would think again real long and hard....
The last true liberal elected President was Jimmy Carter, 30 years ago, so it's going to depend a lot on who gets the Democratic nomination. I'm hoping that it's a true liberal that runs against a conservative so that we can have a real contrast...and a conservative victory.
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