dude, thats an image I could done without....

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

my god the humanity.....you have a zero understanding regards charity by ngo, and gov. welfare or subsidies do you? no you don't.......

and just how much do you give to charity may I ask? or absent that, time in a soup kitchen or other such activity...? I bet zero in both counts...and if you answer in the affirmative I will ask for proof……which I am more than willing to supply...on both counts.

I await your answer......

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

Speaking of tax cuts, those were designed to stimulate the economy by giving to the rich, leaving the working class with nothing. Especially single ones. It was all on borrowed money anyway. It solved nothing. They ended up raising oil and gas costs, so in the end you ended up paying more money back your cut of the tax cake to businesses everytime you use your heat, cook and pump gas into your car. How is that any solution?? The cuts did NOTHING. How do you honestly think cutting important government programs is going to work?

You cannot control the economy once you rid of every beneficial goverment program. It would be devastating to the economy because these people wouldn't be spending money that they don't have. Let me explain this is simpler terms... Credit debt would rise incredibly and banks and credit card companies would shut down. It would be a MASSIVE hit to the economy. Homeless, homelessnes would bring on disease, sickness, dire poverty. I bet you did not realize that welfare is designed mostely for children... you mean to say you wouldn't care seeing a suffering child on the street because there is no more welfare. What about WIC? Do you know what WIC is? How about every mom has that taken away? She won't be able to get the right nutritional foods while she is pregnant nor would she be able to afford forumla and milk for her baby. It doesn't stop at welfare. There are branches and segments of welfare for the working, not working, disabled, mentally ill, elderly, children, babies, moms, etc... Why cut all that out just so people like YOU can have more than they already need?? Who really is the selfish one here?

Every developed country has a welfare-type system because it supports the economy whether you like it or not. If even welfare recipients didn't spend, it would affect the economy. Sheesh.

I don't care if you think my posts are silly. That's your problem; not mine Ronnie.

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Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

- George Orwell, 1984

can you answer my question? ..or...

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

I can't afford to give money to charity. I live check to check. I have to support the daycare lady and my son, thank you. I do donate a lot of toys, I do canned food drives and donate clothing to the Salvation Army. Once I get enough cashflow, I plan on donating actually money. Right now, I'm a single mother just trying to make ends meet. I do not have the time nor resources to do community service. Go ahead and tell me how I shouldn't talk because I don't "help enough". I know that is where you are heading... I await your answer

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Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

- George Orwell, 1984

Questions are answered in the order they are received.

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Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

- George Orwell, 1984

that old the rich get cuts while everyone else pays is way off base and way out of context.....I have posted the numbers..(oh, in say in 3 different threads…..) who pays what, what percentage and how much of the general the revenues come from whom…...if want to ignore it fine.,.,but you saying it does not make it true...and it flies directly in the face of the truth.

and this statement;


the only term I can think of to describe that comment- and be charitable at the same time is...
Not Lucid. You have got be kidding right?

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

thank you.

theres no "answer" to be had...you are partisan so this is to be expected I guess.

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

Of course I make sense. Why give money to people who already make enough? That is the whole point. Read more into things sometimes.

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Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

- George Orwell, 1984

Please explain why taxpayers should support the children of others for years and years. Is it fair that the money I work for goes to baby factories? Am I suppose to give up part of my money because I have more than I already need? My advice is if a person can't afford to support their own children, then they shouldn't have children to begin with.

Because the children are innocent and should not suffer for their parents' mistakes- wouldn't you agree with that? That's the whole point. You can't tie all women's tubes or take a "parent qualification" test before you become pregnant. Maybe if people in this country valued education over entertainment, we could have donated more tax dollars to the education system so that they could better educate women and men, then things wouldn't be as they are now. If we could get more movement and education in ghettos and poor communities, it may help. Also, these people are working low-wage jobs in which they require extra money to support their families. If businesses don't want to pay more because of consumer demand and this is all they have to offer their employees is minimum wage, then be prepared to pay for it through your taxes.

With Robert's brilliant idea, you would have homeless roaming your neighborhood and stealing from you, ghettos would be rampant with people stealing and killing each other for things they can't buy, credit card companies and banks would shut down due to people being forced to buy on credit, businesses would have to pay at least $15/hour per employee to support them on the fact that their funds aren't enough to afford housing and living needs (there goes your abundant amount of jobs). Real Estate costs would plummet, (but still be too expensive to buy without a loan - but the banks would be closed down, so there would be no loans). If housing costs plummet too far, the markets will collapse and investors will be left bankrupt. Way to go Reagan!! Woo hoo!

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Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

- George Orwell, 1984

No one wants to see children suffer, however, I don't believe that we should be forced to support these children either. I don't think anyone should decide that I "have more than" I need since I'm the one out there busting my ass for it.
You suggest going into the ghettos and poor neighborhoods. Do the rest of the nation a favor and stay out of them. Welfare does nothing in the long term other than create more need for welfare. Do you not understand that the system is what keeps these people down? If used properly, it would be a stepping stone to a better life but instead, our government believes in cradle-to-grave welfare which spawns generations of welfare recipients.
After Katrina hit, most evacuees were given money by FEMA and the Red Cross. You wouldn't believe the number of new SUV's in the parking lot of Wal-Mart now. Rather than use the money properly, people were taking vacations, buying big screen t.v.'s, computers and luxury vehicles, all while the government was paying their rent. Now, the people are complaining because the government hasn't rebuilt their homes yet. How's that for stupidity?
Face it, our welfare system is designed to keep people down and frankly, the Dems want it that way because poor folks tend to vote Democrat. It will continue to be this way until someone in Washington has guts enough to revamp the system so it works the way it's suppose to.

I agree that welfare does need to be revamped. I have the guts to revamp the system, but unfortunately, I don't have the money or degrees for it. Maybe the government needs to reform their campaigning and make it easier for middle-class citizens run. That way, you wouldn't have such rich, ignorant leaders making the wrong decisions. Don't forget that these people live in the ghettos and poor sections - they have grown into their way of life and find it is acceptable and it is the only way they know HOW to live. You wouldn't see these people in rich neighborhoods because the rich want nothing to do with them. They are considered a "nuissance". Maybe if we tried a little more positive influence and started trying to clean up some of these ghettos, people would have more incentive and confidence to educate themselves. If we look at them negatively, then they will continue to stay negative. Their needs to be neighborhood reform and education before we can even try to manipulte welfare and make it less a burden for us who pay for it.

I'm sure not all of those evacuees were poor. That is a generalized assumption on your part. Who knows what they are? Who do you personally know that did all these things with the FEMA funds?

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Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

- George Orwell, 1984

No, but you could tie their tubes as a pre-condition to receiving Welfare.
The ghettos are populated with Welfare babies and grandbabies. That's one of the biggest problems. And you want to INCREASE Welfare programs?! That's like throwing kerosene on a burning fire.
Or be prepared to make tyhe tough decisions and stop subsidizing irresponsibility. If you can't afford kids, don't have them!!
What you described above is happening TODAY. Where do you live?

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