BTW homelessness has very very little to do with lack of job opportunities and pay and 99% to do with drug and/or alcohol addiction.

I will repeat myself again: additional jobs will make prices go up because the businesses will have to pay out more money to the employees. The "work or get nothing" policy would not work in this country. We would be in the same situation with lack of jobs and then it would get progressively worse from there on out. For everyone.

I don't know where you are getting I am in denial. I'm being very logical.

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or mental illness.

And it will get even worse. You can't tie people's tubes. It's a violation of personal privacy and wellbeing. I never said I wanted to increase welfare programs.

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Wait, what.....additional jobs are bad for the economy because they make prices go up???? WHAT?!?!?!?!? Are you being serious?

Additional jobs are created by increased economic activity. I will lay this out step by step for you so you can understand.

1.) Cut welfare programs.
2.) Because the government is no longer supporting millions of dead beats they have extra revenue.
3.) Cut taxes.
4.) The individual tax payer now has to pay less in taxes due to the cuts.
5.) The individual consumer with more money on his check can spend more.
6.) Since each consumer has more to spend each buisness now has more customers.
7.) Since the buisness has more customers they have to hire more employees to assist. (Note they don't have to raise prices, increased sales pays for the new employees).
8.) With buisnesses adding new jobs, there are plenty of opportunity for former welfare recipients to work if they choose.

Those who choose not to educate themselves or employ themselves can do whatever they want since they are no longer living on my dime.

I remember a case in California that involved rape. The judge gave the perps the option of massive jail time, or less jail time plus getting neutered.

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Running a business means regulating profit. When more profit comes in, they have reached a new profit goal and they continue to increase that goal. If they need to hire more employees the prices will rise because their profits have hit an all-time high, due to an increase in business. They have to maintain the current profit or layoffs will become imminent. What are you going to do about the people who cannot find a job fast enough because it has become an employer's market and jobs become harder to find and a recession hits? What about real estate? How will they live on a minimum wage salary without extra income to assist them?

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heh heh well, in that case, castration is deserved

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You can go into the ghettos and make them nice and pretty and nothing will change. It's been tried before in New Orleans and it failed. We have to put limits on the duration of welfare and how much a person can receive before anything will force most recipients off of it.

Of course not all evacuees were poor! My daughter was one of them but she used her money to start rebuilding her home instead of buying a luxury vehicle. Yet, I personally know quite a few that abused the money. One neighbor spent a month traveling in Florida while another bought a 2005 Navigator! Others I know were a little less frivolous, buying big screen t.v.s and such. There were many accounts of abuse on the local news and many accounts of people bitching that the government isn't rebuilding their homes. The pisser of that is that due to a clerical error, I had no insurance and yet received just enough from FEMA to cover the cost of my new roof. The rest of the money I need is in the form of an SBA loan which I will have to pay back. But those that lived in the projects in New Orleans are still living in other cities on FEMA money while waiting for their homes to be rebuilt for them. Is that fair? Hell no! I've worked hard for what I have and I'm thankful that I could get an SBA loan, but why should I have to pay back something that so many others are getting for free? I'll tell you why. It's because I'm not a welfare recipient and therefore am expected to pay my own way and theirs!
Fine, you folks that want to keep the welfare system, go ahead, but realize that you're just putting a bandaid over a festering sore without treating it first. I wonder how many of you that support the system would do so if your payments were voluntary. I doubt too many would.

Hahaha, I do have to admitt, your posts always give me a good chuckle.

I don't even know what that sentence is supposed to mean. Reading your posts I get the sense that you don't really understand the topic but like to throw out ideas like you do understand. There is not logical connection between any of your points in your post.

First off
I don't see how having all time profits causes a rise in prices. Typically if a company can afford to cut prices they will out of fear of losing market share to its compitition.

Second
An increase in hiring activity on the part of buisness does not make for an employers market, it makes for a workers market since workers are more in demand.

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I thought you just said that employers are raising prices to pay employees more, so why are all these random employees working for minimum wage? The answer is that your incorrect in your assessment. But thats ok, hopefully you'll be able to learn a little economics from our discussions. I'm happy to help.

I said that employers would have to raise prices, to regulate profit, when hiring MORE employees. Not paying employees more.

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Why would they raise prices if they are enjoying increased sales? They don't need to raise prices to pay for those employees.

What the hell is regulating profit? Did you just make that up on your own?

No. This is not how it works. I don't know from who or what sources you are getting your "knowledge" from, but you need to abandon it. I can assure you, the real world does not work this way. What you wrote doesn't even make logical sense.

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I don't think you are going to get through to her, she seems to have the kind of economic knowledge you can only gain after a few hits on the bong.

I'm not suggesting that they should be forced to have their tubes tied. They would only have to do so if they want OUR money. As for violations, how does theft fit into your scenario. If I'm forced to pay for a deadbeat that decides to have a half dozen kids, isn't that theft? Where's my right to keep my personal property fit into your right to personal privacy and well-being?

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