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Who is going to watch KKK Byrd, Sen. from Alaska, Teddy and other Stalinista whores of the dollar and legacies? Screw so-called Dems, they are worthless and had NO problem sending me to S.E. Asia to make LBJ, Rockefeller, Gates Rubber, and others MILLIONS! They created Johnny Coward the 3 times out lying bastard from Mass. Be proud boy, you are among the Party of Traitors & Cowards!!
Speaking of liars and traitors, Jeff Habay was a registered Republicans and engaged in terrorist activities. Did I.J. go to S.E. Asia because he thought it would be fun to hang out with all the other cowards like Dubya, O'Reilly, and Cheney? It must have been a real downer when they stood you up and stayed in the states.


I'm glad Democratic president Truman won WW2 for democracy. I'm embarrassed that Republicans are faring so poorly in Iraq and making the world safer for terrorists.
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Most of the people on welfare are children, do you think if we don't feed them it will make them productive?

There are people who can't work, and don't have enough money to buy food, medical care and a place to live, hence we have welfare.
We have welfare and social security and unemployment because Capitalism is as brutal as communism.
Companies used to use 6 year old children in the coal mines because it was cheaper, you could dig smaller tunnels, if they got crippled on the job, you paid them through the end of the day, and had someone carry them home, and it was their problem what they were going to do tomorrow.
Capitalism is 300 people dying in a workplace fire because there are no fire escapes (too much money).
So we don't have pure Capitalism, and it's not communism, it's what's called a "New Deal".

Yep. And the sad part is that those in this country who think that welfare is for "lazy" people are completely out of touch with just how hard it is to make it these days. They just don't get it.
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Yep. And the sad part is that those in this country who think that welfare is for "lazy" people are completely out of touch with just how hard it is to make it these days. They just don't get it.
No, "they" are hardly out of touch. It has never been easier to "make it" like it is today. There is almost no excuse whatsoever for someone to not be able to take care of themselves in this country. None of the commodities and technologies and luxuries we take for granted today existed even 50 years ago and yet those people made ends meat at the end of the day. They had to bust their asses ten times as hard as we do today. Anybody who can't "make it" today is exactly what "they" say: lazy, unmotivated, or stupid.

Everyone is where they are in life because they choose to be there. Bottom line. If they wanted to improve themselves the tools are there.
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No, "they" are hardly out of touch. It has never been easier to "make it" like it is today. There is almost no excuse whatsoever for someone to not be able to take care of themselves in this country. None of the commodities and technologies and luxuries we take for granted today existed even 50 years ago and yet those people made ends meat at the end of the day. They had to bust their asses ten times as hard as we do today. Anybody who can't "make it" today is exactly what "they" say: lazy, unmotivated, or stupid.

Everyone is where they are in life because they choose to be there. Bottom line. If they wanted to improve themselves the tools are there.
I couldn't agree more. I come into contact with people on welfare approx 10 times a day at my job, and by far the vast majority of them are lazy and have no desire at all to put any energy forth to improve themselves. I don't understand why it is my responsibility as a tax payer to support people who have no interest in supporting themselves.
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No, "they" are hardly out of touch. It has never been easier to "make it" like it is today. There is almost no excuse whatsoever for someone to not be able to take care of themselves in this country. None of the commodities and technologies and luxuries we take for granted today existed even 50 years ago and yet those people made ends meat at the end of the day. They had to bust their asses ten times as hard as we do today. Anybody who can't "make it" today is exactly what "they" say: lazy, unmotivated, or stupid.

Everyone is where they are in life because they choose to be there. Bottom line. If they wanted to improve themselves the tools are there.
With soaring college tuitions, gas prices, product costs, etc coupled with the excessive cost of living expenses versus the ratio of the average wage, I see no leeway of any "easier access" these days. In today's world it takes, on average, two and half paychecks to cover rent or a mortgage for the average working class person; versus just one weeks pay back in the 50's. If it is hard enough for us now, then I can only imagine how hard it is for the poor. First of all, not everyone poor is stupid or lazy. They don't get a huge handout - in fact this is why there are multiple welfare and financial programs. If YOU want everyone in this country to work, then YOU better come up with a good plan in order to make housing affordable for these low-wage workers that the BUSINESSES refuse to compensate and PROVIDE housing for these people. The problem isn't entirely welfare recipients. The problem is our political structure and business owners in the food service and retail industry - two of the top revenue profiteers in the country, which pay the least (which is why they are two of the top revenue-generating industries.) Welfare is still around BEAUSE companies are able keep their profits by paying only minimum wage. The rich business owners should thank welfare for being around bceause without it, companies would not be able to pay as little as they do.

What has happened to Americans? We have become so greedy and unfeeling. If we view our poor as nothing, than it is no wonder why they feel like they are nothing. Capitalism only seems the "best type of government" because it feeds the rich. What it does is leaves everyone else who aren't as fortunate in life to rot. This isn't what America should be about. It should be about equality and ending suffering in the people of our country. If we are so great, than why must we shun people who are not as fortunate as us and forget to realize that not everyone can be rich or prosperous in this nation. Is it because being poor is a crime to the rich's pockets? Well, tough crap. If we are to be a "great nation", then it is time to stop this self-righteous bullshit of aiding the rich and robbing the working class. Because once the working class becomes obsolete - so will this economy. I personally am figuratively standing by the toilet with my hand on the flusher. I see what is happening to this country, but the well-off don't because they are prospering, thanks to gluttonous leaders.

These same people who condemn poor people HERE and the same ones who seem to have no problem in aiding Iraqis or people in third world countries. What about our own?
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These same people who condemn poor people HERE and the same ones who seem to have no problem in aiding Iraqis or people in third world countries. What about our own?
You see what their argument is going to be is that we are taking the fight to "them".

Despite the fact that "they" were never remotely serious in Iraq. What we do know is that "they" were very active in Afganistan, we sent a token military force there to do some chest thumping. Then we left because there isn't much oil in Afganistan.
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With soaring college tuitions, gas prices, product costs, etc coupled with the excessive cost of living expenses versus the ratio of the average wage, I see no leeway of any "easier access" these days.
Obviously you don't understand the basic concept of supply and demand. Prices will only go up as long as people are willing to pay it and consumers will always migrate to the lower prices thus competition keeps runaway prices in check. Prices do go up, but so do wages thus a balance is struck.

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In today's world it takes, on average, two and half paychecks to cover rent or a mortgage for the average working class person; versus just one weeks pay back in the 50's.
That has more to do with changes in life style then anything else. In the 1950's the average family had maybe 1 car. Now 2 vehicles is common, if not more. In the 1950's how many families had cable TV, HDTV, Internet connections, PC's, Cell phones, Laptops, a CD/DVD collection etc etc etc. The reason people need 2 paychecks now is to buy all the things they think they need, not to actually support themselves.

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If YOU want everyone in this country to work, then YOU better come up with a good plan in order to make housing affordable for these low-wage workers that the BUSINESSES refuse to compensate and PROVIDE housing for these people.
Everyone in this country can work, they just choose not to. Why work when you can sit on your ass watching TV collecting government money.

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Capitalism only seems the "best type of government" because it feeds the rich.
You obviously have no understanding of what capitalism is or how much it benefits me, you, and everyone else on this website.

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If we are to be a "great nation", then it is time to stop this self-righteous bullshit of aiding the rich and robbing the working class. Because once the working class becomes obsolete - so will this economy. I personally am figuratively standing by the toiler with my hand on the flusher. I see what is happening to this country, but the well-off don't because they are prospering, thanks to gluttonous leaders.
Straight out of the Marx playbook on failed economics.
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I somehow just can't take anyone who has Ronald Regan as an avatar seriously. Just can't do it.
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That has more to do with changes in life style then anything else. In the 1950's the average family had maybe 1 car. Now 2 vehicles is common, if not more. In the 1950's how many families had cable TV, HDTV, Internet connections, PC's, Cell phones, Laptops, a CD/DVD collection etc etc etc. The reason people need 2 paychecks now is to buy all the things they think they need, not to actually support themselves.
Bullshat. Basic necessities - living needs is what people really cannot afford anymore. I don't have cable or internet at home. Can't afford it. Not even on my middle-class salary. 2 vehicles is not common amongst single folks, you know. Usually we only have one because we only need one.
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I somehow just can't take anyone who has Ronald Regan as an avatar seriously. Just can't do it.
Thats ok, I don't take someone who spouts Marxist rhetoric while denying that they are to the left of the political spectrum seriously either.
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Bullshat. Basic necessities - living needs is what people really cannot afford anymore. I don't have cable or internet at home. Can't afford it. Not even on my middle-class salary. 2 vehicles is not common amongst single folks, you know. Usually we only have one because we only need one.
Perhaps you should reevaluate how you spend your money, save your money and the job you do. Because between my wife (working part time and going to school) and me working full time, we are doing just fine with 2 cars, cable, internet, cell phones and all.
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No, "they" are hardly out of touch. It has never been easier to "make it" like it is today. There is almost no excuse whatsoever for someone to not be able to take care of themselves in this country. None of the commodities and technologies and luxuries we take for granted today existed even 50 years ago and yet those people made ends meat at the end of the day. They had to bust their asses ten times as hard as we do today. Anybody who can't "make it" today is exactly what "they" say: lazy, unmotivated, or stupid.

Everyone is where they are in life because they choose to be there. Bottom line. If they wanted to improve themselves the tools are there.
OK, how easy is it for a downs syndrome child to earn a living, at age 4?
Don't tell me he could do your job................
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OK, how easy is it for a downs syndrome child to earn a living, at age 4?
Don't tell me he could do your job................
leftist solution = just kill the child.
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OK, how easy is it for a downs syndrome child to earn a living, at age 4?
Don't tell me he could do your job................
My guess is it would be pretty hard. Perhaps you should blame the parents for having the child while not being able to take care of it.
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What has happened to Americans? We have become so greedy and unfeeling.
First of all, you speak for yourself, not all Americans. And on top of that you are making a fallacious appeal to emotion. Does projecting your personal guilt about being "greedy and unfeeling" upon others make you feel better? Does it help rid you of your guilt?


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If we view our poor as nothing, than it is no wonder why they feel like they are nothing.
Why do you feel that "the poor" are "nothing"?


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Capitalism only seems the "best type of government" because it feeds the rich. What it does is leaves everyone else who aren't as fortunate in life to rot.
Capitalism is not a type of government.
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