uh yes he was, read the link..no of course not telephone calls the technolgy and infancy of the industry precluded that...

Slon- no it does not..BUT it shows that Bush is far from the darth vader privacy invader boogey man, and in fact has legal groundds to call for this....in context....

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

No what does not? Maybe I think FDR was a piece of shit. What would your argument be then?

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If a neocon whines about big government wealth redistribution, just ask him what he thinks about the portion of that big government that sends aid to Israel.

How can you say "in context" when America has never been in a remotely similar situation? I don't say this out of reverance for FDR, either, as I think he and his Brains Trust was two of the, if not THE two greatest threats to our constitution in that time.

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No man is an island...
Each man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in Mankind.
And therefore, never send to know
For whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.
—John Donne

I have proof that the government is going through my mail.

My Playboy and Penthouse issues have pages stuck together....


I can't believe that people worry about the government reading our mail, listening to phone calls, tracking our internet habits........When in fact "non-government" people are doing all of that and then stealing our identities, seems to me people are upset at the wrong people.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

But you imply that we are NOT also borrowed by THAT.

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"Jesus said: I have cast fire upon the world, and behold I guard it until it is ablaze."
Gospel of Thomas

True; then, all the government has to do is pay a certain fee to said business and get all the information. Privacy in the electronics and information age brings about a lot of different worries than it did a century ago.

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No man is an island...
Each man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in Mankind.
And therefore, never send to know
For whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.
—John Donne

Well, I have seen no evidence of people being upset about it, just the government.
And once again, the government isn't doing anything that hasn't been done for centuries.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

the “argument" would be exactly as I answered, that there is precedent, and a review of the enaction of the censorship did not preclude its use...

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

the situations and threats are similar enough....I find grave fault with FDR on a number of things..but this is not one of them....and that is quite beside the point actually....the president has been given broad authority as c in c, and this was clearly one of them according to the courts....take it up with them....if stare decisis is a measurement the dems have lauded and demanded regards roe vs wade , not a national threat, then surely this should stand as well...

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

I see no similarity at all. The world trade center is not equivalent to pearl harbor or the occupation of half of europe. A vague and open ended "war on terror" bears no resemblance to battling national entities like japan and germany.

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A nation of slaves is always prepared to applaud the clemency of their master who, in the abuse of absolute power, does not proceed to the utmost extremes of injustice and oppression.
Edward Gibbon

that’s your opinion and I would say that the war on terrorism in all its fact and facets is an infinitely greater threat as there are NO ready villains per se on a national level...all the more reason to be careful …..

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

Absurd.

great riposte!!!!

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

So the smaller and less powerful the opponent, the more the justification for abrogation of our civil rights? That's a novel approach.

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A nation of slaves is always prepared to applaud the clemency of their master who, in the abuse of absolute power, does not proceed to the utmost extremes of injustice and oppression.
Edward Gibbon

It was absurd and that's all that needs to be said.