Matt may have missed it. I didn't ignore it but I just saw it. I want to put my hands over my ears and pretend it isn't possible. I hope it isn't true.

Could we wait to get some facts please. Lets see what facts come out of this. I'm so tired. I have so very little confidence in the current administration.

ugh...

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The somalia government is a collection of violent warlords who do not have popular support. Whether they applauded it or not does not determine the validity of this strike.

Andrew

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Did you guys ever see “Black Hawk Down”?
It was accurate. Even the children would stomp the face of our dead and dying service personnel beyond recognition.
Please don’t propagate associates, family and friends of those who murdered hundreds of innocent embassy workers as some kinda “happy go lucky” community we would image from association.
If terrorist “and those who would harbor them” see no consequences for there actions, well- you figure it out…

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Sorry Hank, it doesn`t work that way.

Nations with capitol punishment usually have a far higher rate of serious crimes, than nation`s without it, even though the bad guy`s are shown the consequences for their actions.
That was the general purpose of public hanging`s. That and revenge.


And I believe, that the number of "terrorist`s" have never been as high, as since we started to "show them the consequences".

Whatever the reason is, it doesn`t justify plastering hole villages with bullets, just to hit a few terrorists.



Jen

"If terrorist “and those who would harbor them” see no consequences for there actions...."
Are we talking of Rumsfeld and the US?
Who is the one terrorizing the world?
Who is the one with WMDs: Israel.

The rise of extremist islam has been ongoing for quite some time. Osama himself has stated that he was inspired by the retreat of the US from Somalia. His campaign was in full swing during the Clinton years where the west was playing the game of pretending each attack was a seperate crime instead of the war it is. So you have a situation where the actions of the west do not seem to be the cause of events. Why is it so hard for people to image that the US is not the center of the world and that events may be occurring because of developments or actions of those from other places?

From your link...

What a bunch of anti-USA bullshit. Simply because Moon is concerned, that does not imply that he critized the US actions.

Yet anti-USA activist, Sahal Abdulle of rueters tells a lie and says Moon "criticised the U.S. actions".

If the "reporter" straight up lies in the article that puts the credibility of the entire report in question IMO.

So I wouldn't take that "report" too seriously unless the Pentagon confirms the attacks.

I think so. And Morroco/West Sahara and Sudan are probably on the agenda too.

I put forth my speculation months ago in this forum that Africa would be the next front in the war on terror. That is the whole purpose of creating Combined Joint Task Force - Horn of Africa based in Djibouti which is just north of Somalia. The US has been working for a while now to get a coalition together to do something about the security situation in Somalia. John Bolton was a key player at the UN to help this along.

Currently the AOR in Africa is divided between U.S European command (EUCOM) and U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM).

But there will soon be a new Unified Combatant Command whose AOR will be the continent of Africa.

Perhaps it will be called U.S. Africa command (AFCOM) or something similar.

I agree. Somalia's proximity to the major maritime transportation chokepoint Bab el-Mandab is key. And also the fact that it is a terrorist haven and an easy place to trasport terrorists from the African continent to the Arabian Peninsula. If Bab el-Mandab becomes insecure then that would effectively cut-off the Persian Gulf nations, India, and East Asian nations from trading with Europe.

Al Qaeda and assoiciates have set up shop in the countries in close proximity to all the major maritime transportation chokepoints. Turkey on the Bosphorus Straits, Sudan on the Red Sea, Egypt's Suez canal, Morrocco on the straits of Gibratar, Indonesia on the Mallaca Strait. They really do have a workable plan for global domination.

I think the long term US strategy is probably to focus more on Africa. China knows this too and is actively courting the countries of Africa. This will force EU members of NATO to take more responsibility for security in the Mid-East once they get their shit together and the fruits of the EURO start to pay off. They will be forced to protect their economies and get their hands bloody and kick in their share of the carnage like they have finally got around to doing in Afghanistan. Of course the terrorists will try to strike back hard in Europe. Better them than us.

After all, alot of this post-colonial chaos is the partly the fault of European colonialists in the first place. They should quit hiding behind the USA and help clean this shit up. Their security is just as much if not more at stake as ours.

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For what it's worth....

Official: Somalia strike missed al Qaeda suspects

I wonder what "close ties" are. Did they live in the same neighborhood? Or maybe they're second cousins?

I wonder if the troops are in the same kind of hot pursuit that was used (is being used?) to get Bin Laden.

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Or maybe just innocents

"Ethiopian and government forces who were pursuing them [The Islamist] forced about 10 young men from here to show them the escape route the Islamist fighters took. They forcefully took away the young men and out of the 10 who went with the soldiers, only one has managed to return following the heaving fighting. Up to now we have no idea where the rest of these young people are
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BBC NEWS | World | Africa | Somali herders hit by air attacks



I hope the early posters are still chanting

USA
USA
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Nope I have no problem with it when it is done in a reasonable competent manner and doesn't simply throw away lives so some politician can make a name for him or herself. As I said early on in this thread if they indeed did get who they were after and other terrorists as a bonus, I have no problem here. However do not even try to pretend that shooting at the ground from a couple of thousand feet in the air is mano to mano. I am not saying it is chicken, just not the way you portray it.

Now on to the insult. Well frankly what you think of me is irrelevant, since you do not know me. That was a puffed up response to my pointing out that your desire for revenge places you on the same playing field with the people carrying out the sectarian violence in Iraq, with those that conducted the genocide in Bosnia, and with those shooting at each other in Kosovo before we intervened. You know the people we refer to as terrorists and the enemy. Frankly since I am secure in who I am the insult kind of missed the mark. Now my term for you is derived from your specific statements, not who or what I think you are.

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Haha..... Told you so......

FT.com / World / Middle East & Africa - Somalia strike ‘missed al-Qaeda targets’

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once again thanks for proving my point

just keep casting judgement others will get their hands dirty

people are pretty smart and catch on quick. those old black and white, knee jerk comments about america being evil don't work anymore. no one's saying america is evil. well, at least no one who knows how the world really works. attempting to hold the US to roughly the same standards we hold the rest of the world to is not unreasonable. its actually a pretty logical thing to do if you're at all interested in lessening the threat of terrorism in the world. this action in somalia is guaranteed to either ensure things remain as dire as they are now or, more likely, make things worse by creating more of an artificial imbalance of power. most people understand that temporarily stable governments created for the sole purpose of being friendly to washingtons strategic and business interests, are never a good idea and always cost us and the world more than they're worth.

First they say we succeeded, then they say we didn't.

I remember hearing that the origin of the word "sin" meant "To miss the mark".
Looks like the policies and aims of Bush&Co succeeded once again in that regard.

Gem
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