We all should just put our heads down and accept communism in other words.

Mattlarson I know things you probably don't know or can't think of.. I know you started this thread and you are going to try to be right in every instance. I would like to discuss the subject but since you are not up for an open discussion I'm leaving the thread and keeping my knowlege for meaningful discussion.. Goodie day..

Not sure what you mean here, since I simply pointed out that contrary to your assertion, you do benefit from globalization.

But if you want to take your toys and go home, OK.

Matt

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I find it ironic that you guys all flip a shit over Chavez consolidating power, but nary a word about Putin.

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"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."
Matthew 5:9

This thread is funny.

Chavez is running the country for his people (thus his popularity). He open a recent history book and while corruption is rife in Latin America, it was world corporations which were paying...

His stance has not been mild mannered... But either has the respouse (which has been idiotic from the Bush Administration). They definately knew of a coup to get rid of him and might hand a in it..

Venezula is an Oil country. And as usual takes precedence over non Oil countries. Chavez doesn't have a army or the wish to invade neighbours. He has never threatened the Americain people. He stated openly that he thinks the Bush Administration are assholes(not a exclusive club). He threw out companies which openly brided there way in to exploit venezula resources. He reversed stupid privatisation polices which have not worked in the country (Look at Railtrack in UK they did the same).

He has shared the wealth with the poor. And to top it off he has one of the fastest growing GDP in the world...

And he doesn't give a royal rats ass what some foriegn goverment thinks of him and is not afriad to say it.

So would I vote for the guy... Not prefect by any means but better than his predessors

So, you have no problem taking the property of others without compensation?

Would you have a problem if the US were to seize Citgo in response?

Matt

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When California going back to Mexico?

What if they bribe officals to gain that property at grossly under market value?

Maybe thats because this is a thread about Chavez? Im sure if you go back to when Putin was in the news youd find the same reactions.

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http://www.fairtax.org

Elminate all taxes on income and replace with a national sales tax.

The difference is, Chavez makes no pretense about trying to turn Venezuela into a socialist type state.

The United States, however, claims to be a relatively lassaiz-fare free market system.

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"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."
Matthew 5:9

Theft is theft, whether driven by ideology or greed.

Matt

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And whether or not it is sanctioned by law?

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"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."
Matthew 5:9

Retroactively sanctioning the theft of someone else's property does not make it right.

Matt

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First of all. Corporations are not "evil".
They are supposed to do whatever they they can get away with, to make money, and make their stockholders happy.
Therefore, it is left to the authorities in the area, to set the rules, under which they can operate, and make sure, that they stay in line.


Second, Venezuela is NOT a dictatorship. There have been free elections.


Third. If corporations have had a lovely time, paying of a small elite, to get the entire rights of the wealth of a hole nation, It is not theft, to say:

Times have changed gentlemen, and from now on you either start paying what you are collecting, or you leave.


Fourth. Why do you think, that Chavez was elected by a vast majority of people, living in poverty?
Probably because, they can now see some of all that oil money, also going their way for the first time.

The rest is a little difficult, to take seriously


Jen

If thats a step toward dictatorship (and it certainly may be) than how do you like living in a dictatorship, Matt?

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

-- Unknown

Pray tell, how does the President legislate by decree?

That's what Hugo is working on.

Matt

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