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Old 01-18-2007
ViolaLee ViolaLee is offline
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Re: BIG change re: spy-on-Americans program

The Bush administration is just playing the law right up until it seems like there might be a consequence for breaking the law. Then at that magic moment when judges might actually hold him accountable for his crimes, he backs down and decides to follow the law.

Same thing happened with the Padilla case and the Gitmo indefinate, no charges incarceration.

Unfuckingbelievable.
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Old 01-18-2007
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Re: BIG change re: spy-on-Americans program

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The Bush administration is just playing the law right up until it seems like there might be a consequence for breaking the law. Then at that magic moment when judges might actually hold him accountable for his crimes, he backs down and decides to follow the law.

Unfuckingbelievable.
What's unbelievable is that now the leader of our country during a time of war is being required to answer to a judge, who could've been appointed by anyone and has a political axe to grind. The Dems just weakened the USA's ability to monitor communique leaving this country and headed for known sponsors of terror. It's really sickening how the Dems really want this country to fail in it's efforts against radical muslims.

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Old 01-18-2007
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Re: BIG change re: spy-on-Americans program

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What's unbelievable is that now the leader of our country during a time of war is being required to answer to a judge, who could've been appointed by anyone and has a political axe to grind. The Dems just weakened the USA's ability to monitor communique leaving this country and headed for known sponsors of terror. It's really sickening how the Dems really want this country to fail in it's efforts against radical muslims.

Varus
You think Bush should be above the law?

It's not true that the Dems want the country to fail in the fight against terrorism. That's just bullshit. Don't believe the hype varus.
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Old 01-18-2007
varrussword varrussword is offline
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You think Bush should be above the law?
I believe that every president has the responsibility to monitor information leaving this country heading for known supporters of their enemy. Not only that but every president in the history of this country during a time of war has done this same exact thing. Not allowing the p

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It's not true that the Dems want the country to fail in the fight against terrorism. That's just bullshit. Don't believe the hype varus.
Not one democrat has done anything to prove otherwise. All they want is to set resolutions, that they have no intentions of enforcing, or monitor our borders and hope we catch the next bomber as he crosses. Other than that all they seem to be about is screaming "blood for oil" nonsense

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Old 01-18-2007
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Re: BIG change re: spy-on-Americans program

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The Dems just weakened the USA's ability to monitor communique leaving this country and headed for known sponsors of terror.
Wrong, wrong, once again, wrong.

Tell me, exactly, how the ability to intercept communications has been weakened. And while you're at it, tell me, exactly, how the Democrats managed to do this. Is Gonzales a Democrat? Is Bush?

Court to Oversee U.S. Wiretapping in Terror Cases - NY Times, Jan. 17, 2007:

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The Bush administration, in a surprise reversal, said on Wednesday that it had agreed to give a secret court jurisdiction over the National Security Agency’s wiretapping program and would end its practice of eavesdropping without warrants on Americans suspected of ties to terrorists.
Who made the change? The Bush administration.

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The Justice Department said it had worked out an “innovative” arrangement with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that provided the “necessary speed and agility” to provide court approval to monitor international communications of people inside the United States without jeopardizing national security.
Who worked out the arrangement? The Justice Department.

Gonzales letter to Congress

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... the President has determined not to reauthorize the Terrorist Surveillance Program when the current authorization expires.
Who was "The Determiner"? Bush.

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It's really sickening how the Dems really want this country to fail in it's efforts against radical muslims.
No, buddy, any venom you may have over this decision to put the domestic spy program under FISA control should be directed to the person who decided to make this change. And that would be Bush. Kudos to Bush for finally complying with the law.
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Who was "The Determiner"? Bush.
Actually he is the "decider". I don't think he knows that word.
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Old 01-18-2007
Thematic-Device Thematic-Device is offline
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Re: BIG change re: spy-on-Americans program

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What's unbelievable is that now the leader of our country during a time of war is being required to answer to a judge,
My god, you mean like in a democracy? I thought this was ancient Rome, where we would appoint a 6 month dictator to fight of the Gauls, or Carthaginians when they threaten our borders. But I'm shocked to find out we are in fact a liberal democracy founded upon the ideas of Locke and Montesquieu (among others).


Where the people on this board get their history lessons, I'll never know.
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Old 01-18-2007
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Re: BIG change re: spy-on-Americans program

If America gets attacked again..Finger pointing will be directly at Nancy Pelosi.
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Old 01-18-2007
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If America gets attacked again..Finger pointing will be directly at Nancy Pelosi.
OK, I'll bite. Why Nancy Pelosi?

Was she against the 9/11 commission findings being enacted?

No, she just passed a bill to finally, 6 years later, enact those safety measures to keep terrorists from attacking us. Measures that Bush has failed to enact all these years.

OK, so why Nancy Pelosi?
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Old 01-18-2007
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If America gets attacked again..Finger pointing will be directly at Nancy Pelosi.
I believe you also. Just the way I believe you would hang Michael Moore while you pound away trying to remember who OBL is...
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