Which 3rd party candidate is gonna raise enough to run?

How are we safe if the government is the only one with guns?

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Well, there have been strong rumors about Bloomberg running, but I think he could actually hurt the Dems more than the Reps.

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Atleast Condi is smart....Hillary is just a dumb fool. Condi would have a way better chance at winning an election among smarter America then Hillary would. The majority of Hillarys votes will be because she's "Hillary" and not because she could actually run this country. Condi has far more credentials to run this country then Hillary does, I dont care what the left says....Put Condi's resume up against Hillarys betty crocker ass, Condi is by far the better choice of the 2.

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That's nothing but a label. Lincoln Chafee was a Republican too, but would you want him to be President? His voting record was just as left wing as Barbara Boxer. You can't base your vote on someone being Republican or Democrat. You have to look at their individual positions on the issues. When you only look at the party, that is how you get screwed.

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I'm not so sure of that. And Clinton woudn't run if she thought she couldn't win--she's too savvy to be that kind of fool.

To date, I'm still looking at who is going to be the Republican candidate for 2008 who can both clear the primary and then gain enough support to win the national election. Who is that person going to be? Anyone have thoughts on that?

Hillary, if she wins the primary, will likely get most of the Dem vote anyway on party lines by default unless the Rep candidate has some major overriding appeal.

Most Reps will likely vote against Clinton also on party lines. She wouldn't be concerned about those voters or their negative remarks because she already knows they are not obtainable votes anyway.

The key are the swing and independent voters.

The majority of those have been tracking left since Bush who is still in office like an albatross over the heads of those who survived the Congressional cleanout. He will not be running, but it sets the tone all the way through the election because he will be the POTUS. I mean, John Kerry--a person who I think Terry McAuliffe described right as having committed some of the biggest political malpractice of all time in wasting gift horse advantages to lose in 2004--got 48% of the vote, and most did that just because he was not Bush. That is how toxic the air has been.

Many of those independent voters are also younger or career single women, a favourable pool for her if the Republican candidate will be a social conservative, something I think the candidate would need to be to clear the primaries and get the base motivated. I'm sure that Hillary also noted that she drew well and/or chipped away noticeably in the traditionally very Republican 'red' areas of rural upstate and western New York in her Senate races through women voters.

Politics can change in a week, and a good scandal or something can change whole pictures rapidly, but she is not a forgone loser by any means. That is why I am really curious as to who will finally be the Rep candidate for 2008--it's a critical choice.

Hardly.....

The woman is an extremely brilliant individual. What she is, is fake and dishonest. She is very clever and very manipulative. Her ambition is to be President and she will do and say whatever it takes to achieve that.

Dumb and foolish are not appropriate words to describe her.

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Yeah he was the one person i think could do it and he came to mind as soon as you said it...what worries me is he could actually hurt and harm both parties...see if he gets enough traction going there could be more who do this and more parties will ruin our brilliant 2 party system, it'll mess everything up. When you have close majorities like now in the Senate but then say one independant it completely screws everything up totally like with Committee chairmanships and so on. That could hurt our federalist system more than anything.

Heh, Personally its not a heart wrenching dillemma for me! Sorry...really never thought about it. No offence intended, its just something i have to worry about.

Anyway he is often mis quoted on that, he just wants certain areas that are notoriously dangerous and certain people with a reputation to be involved in serious crimes to be Gun free.

Precisely, so think how many will vote for the GOP simply because its a vote against Hillary? And the fact that if we nominate a social conservative that will rally the entire GOP base, so we'll have all of the GOP vote and a lot of the Anti-Hillary vote which will be more than enough.

On the other hand if we nominate a Guiliani or even God Forbid McCain then we'll easily carry the independant and swing voters with a slight loss of the base.

Either way we win.

i dont ...........i truly believe hillary will be the best thing for politics if she is the nominee


MOFO's who have never voted will vote just to block that lady

I think Elvis might rise from the dead just to vote against her...

Looking at some of the most accurate pollster's (and even though there's a long way to go) if we get the nomination right we're unbeatable:

2008 Presidential Match-ups

2008 Democratic Presidential Matchups

There isn't gonna be a person who can beat Giuliani or McCain.

The bases for both are already going to be rallied.

True 'Anti-Hillary' voters come from committed Republican circles, IMO. Picking a social conservative will make others, even if they would have rathered Obama or Edwards, etc, to choose Hillary unless they are already social conservatives, who in turn will vote for the Rep anyway.

Guiliani might have crossover appeal (and if he wins NY, will take away a huge number of electoral votes for the Reps that now mostly go to the Dems), but will the GOP base back him in the primary and rally hard to vote him in? He's a social liberal, a hawkish New York Democrat for all intents and purposes. He also has alot of personal baggage, something the base may not also like.

I think McCain already has problems. He is a social conservative, yet social conservatives don't like him at all. He is already getting pidgeonholed as being an Iraq escalator, and this theme will be driven hard and fast, fair and foul, on him. Independents are tracking left on social issue and Iraq. Many like McCain's mavarick style, but not his social conservative views and Iraq hawkishness even this late in the war.

Your thoughts?

I love all you guys who say "she has zero chance of being in the White House"
Let me tell you something. This lady has been under estimated for a long time. First: She would not run for the Senate. Than She won't win the Senate. Than "The people of New York can't wait until the next election so they can throw her out. Now, "she can't win the nomination and if she does good, we can plan the next republican presidency." But what I do not see is any of you people saying that you will go to Vegas and put some big money on it. What we will see in the next year or so is garbage, slime, name calling and sexual innuendos. All the things that other candidates do not have to deal with. SNL had the opening skid about her tonight. No other candidate has yet been featured on SNL. That's just the start. Don't worry, she knew all this better than we do. As for me: I wish she had not run. She's too valuable in the Senate. Having said that: Let's just listen what the lady has to say. If she gets beat in the primaries, so be it. If not, compare her to the republican nominee and than let the chips fall where they may. My guess is that two years from now as of today, we will call her Madam President.