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Perhaps the US Govt. should state outright whether Canadian Citizens can expect the full protections of law when they visit the United States or not. If not, then there are some serious problems and the US can expect a drastic decrease in relations not just with Canada, but the entire commonwealth and a further souring of relations with mainland Europe.
Oh no. Whatever will we do. Perhaps youve forgotten how reliant your economy and security are on us? Regardless, canadians do get full protection of the law, as long as they obey it.
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Oh no. Whatever will we do. Perhaps youve forgotten how reliant your economy and security are on us?
If the US is abducting Canadian Businessmen, then sending them to Syria to have them tortured it puts a bit of a strain on trade.

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There is absolutely no proof that he didn't obey the law. The criminals in this case are all the agents who helped, looked the other way, or ordered it. In case they've forgotten, they are there to enforce the law, not to ignore it.
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One of my good friends was born in Iran. As soon as her mom was able they left the hospital and bought their way out amidst Iraqi bombs going off during that war (she was born in '84). She lived in Turkey for a bit, then Germany and then Montreal. Her family is not religious. They don't give a fuck about Iran or Islam or anything other than being descent citizens.

Its easy to turn a blind eye to people you don't know like Maher Arar who's just some middle eastern man who got mistaken for someone else. If I picture my friend being taken away and sent to Iran for stoning or something it becomes unthinkable.

Jviehe you strike me as someone who is really un-sympathetic to the collateral damage your current administration is causing to good people all over the world. I get the impression that you'd support rounding up every single muslim in America until the war on my balls is over. After all, they did it to themselves and your illusion of security far outweights any trampling of a muslim's rights. You need to wake up.
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So the United States, which received misleading information from Canada, should apologize to this guy?
Absolutely because your country was the one that arrested him at JFK and deported him to Syria where he was tortured. What is so difficult about saying you made a mistake. This is the reason the rest of the world thinks Americans are arrogant. To his immense credit, Senator Leahy has taken the Bush administration to task for this travesty of justice. This ain't over yet by a long shot.
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Oh no. Whatever will we do. Perhaps youve forgotten how reliant your economy and security are on us? Regardless, canadians do get full protection of the law, as long as they obey it.
You are reliant on us as well. We are your biggest source of energy, including oil for starters. What a piss-poor attitude from a supposed ally.
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Canada can do what it wants. We appear to think he has some connection to AQ, and since he is a Syrian citizen, sent him back. If you have a problem with how Syria treats their citizens, maybe you should be criticizing them. All we did was put him on a plane. I applaud my country for kicking out undesirables. The US is not open to terrorists, even if Canada welcomes them.
The point is that Arar, isn't and was never a terrorist and a royal commision in Canada exonerated him completely. Get your facts straight. Where do you get off saying he's an undesireable. The whole point of this matter is that he isn't and never was! He's an innocent Canadian citizen. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/23/wo.../23terror.html Your post is bordering on offensive and it's certainly in the realm of obnoxious. Don't worry, he is in the middle of suing the US government. Senator Leahy, who heads the Senate Judicial Committee, is in the process of hauling Attorney-General Gonzales's ass onto the carpet for this gross injustice.

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You are reliant on us as well. We are your biggest source of energy, including oil for starters. What a piss-poor attitude from a supposed ally.
Canada has shown itself to be in the "against us" column in my mind. They will be treated as such until things change. You are either with us or against us. Economically we could easily survive without Canada. Im not sure Canada could say the same.
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Jviehe you strike me as someone who is really un-sympathetic to the collateral damage your current administration is causing to good people all over the world. I get the impression that you'd support rounding up every single muslim in America until the war on my balls is over. After all, they did it to themselves and your illusion of security far outweights any trampling of a muslim's rights. You need to wake up.
Not at all. Not all muslims are terrorists. But so far, all terrorists are muslims. The world is better off for the actions the US has taken, actions which have cost of millions of american lives, trillions of dollars, when we could have stood silent and let various evils take over the world. If lack of gratitude is the price we pay, then so be it. The US will NEVER abandon the world. I wish I could say the same for the reverse.
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Canada has shown itself to be in the "against us" column in my mind. They will be treated as such until things change. You are either with us or against us. Economically we could easily survive without Canada. Im not sure Canada could say the same.
Oh lord I had hoped that by this time we would have gotten over all these stupid little catch phrases like bring it on, stay the course, and with us or against us. I guess some people will never learn.
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Oh lord I had hoped that by this time we would have gotten over all these stupid little catch phrases like bring it on, stay the course, and with us or against us. I guess some people will never learn.
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Hush! Don't ruin his illusion of the world being only black and white...
Yes we know europeans and canadians don't believe in "right" and "wrong" merely what's pc at the time. Of course we also know that the peaceful religion of islam isn't to blame for all of the actions of their followers

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Oh lord I had hoped that by this time we would have gotten over all these stupid little catch phrases like bring it on, stay the course, and with us or against us. I guess some people will never learn.
You mean like "Bush is a war criminal" or "no blood for oil" or my personal favorite "we support the troops but not the war"

No...whacked out liberals would never use catch phrases to convey a message

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Not at all. Not all muslims are terrorists. But so far, all terrorists are muslims. The world is better off for the actions the US has taken, actions which have cost of millions of american lives, trillions of dollars, when we could have stood silent and let various evils take over the world. If lack of gratitude is the price we pay, then so be it. The US will NEVER abandon the world. I wish I could say the same for the reverse.
Shhh if you keep saying that it's the muslims that are the terrorists some of these nitwits might actually start to believe it.

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Yes we know europeans and canadians don't believe in "right" and "wrong" merely what's pc at the time. Of course we also know that the peaceful religion of islam isn't to blame for all of the actions of their followers

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Oh, I believe in right and wrong, sure, apparently more than some here. See, the right thing to do would be to say "We've screwed up, sorry for shipping you off to your holiday resort in Syria"... but apparently, according to you, the US is incapable of ever making a mistake.

And yes, the guy was a muslim. Does that automatically make him a terrorist? Apparently it was totally ok to ship him to Syria on that accord... I wonder what your response would have been if the situation was reversed and Canada had send a white, christian guy from Texas the same way?
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Well gee, he was tortured as a direct result of US action.
Actually if he was tortured in Syria it was a direct result of Syrian actions.

The really significant thing about this thread is...


...There isn't a single fucking post in this thread that condemns Syria.

Nope, its just blame the USA for the way Syria treats it's citizens. Welcome back to the leftoland socialist paradise of Syria, Mr. Arar.
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