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Re: Maher Arar given $10mil for being sent by US to Syria for torture

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Sorry, I misread that, it was a line about a visit he got from a consul from Canada. However, people are extradited back and forth all the time. It's part of our friendly ties. It's not an order, so much as a friendly arrangement. But they do happen.
Actually it's an extradition treaty. The US can extradite people to Canada and Canada can extradite people to the USA, but the USA cannot extradite a person in Canada to Syria.

Basically what it comes down to is that he should have been taken to Canada just as his airline tickets said. He was one of their citizens. Canada denied him entry, so he was extradited to Syria where he was also a citizen.

I don't agree with the judgement, he should have got at least $100 million, not $10 million IMO.

What the Canadians did was reprehensible. They denied one of their own citizens entry into their country and he ended up in the place he fled from in the first place. But what the Syrians did was even more fucked up.
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Re: Maher Arar given $10mil for being sent by US to Syria for torture

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They can, to extradite someone applies to both sides as a term



And since there is an extradition treaty...
Point taken. What I meant is that the USA cannot extradite a person in Canada to a third nation.

The pointr is, he was not extradited from Canada, he was denied entry into Canada by the Canadians.
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Re: Maher Arar given $10mil for being sent by US to Syria for torture

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Point taken. What I meant is that the USA cannot extradite a person in Canada to a third nation.

The pointr is, he was not extradited from Canada, he was denied entry into Canada by the Canadians.
Theres no evidence of that, he was taken from JFK to Syria, if the Canadian government denied him entry he would have be sitting in Pearson, or Trudeau airport, not in a Syrian Jail. Further, since he is a Canadian citizen he cannot be denied entry so he wouldn't be there for very long. Further if sent back to where he had just come from, Zurich, as the Canadian Authorities expected he would again, not be subject to harm. From the Arar Commission's report

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At the time, the Canadian officers believed Mr. Arar would be denied entry to the United States and promptly sent back to Zurich. There was a legitimate investigative reason for sending the questions, as Mr. Arar was a person of interest in the Project’s investigation and might have information as a witness that would further the investigation. Moreover, the Project members believed that the American authorities would extend a person in Mr. Arar’s position similar protection to that provided by Canadian law.
So don't give me this crock that the US had to send him to syria and that the us had no idea that he was going to be tortured. The FBI knew damn well and thats why they sent him there. Its conspiracy to torture, its kidnapping, and its a felony offense. The FBI agents involved should go to jail.


There is a claim that CSIS said they didn't want his return, but quite frankly not only does CSIS not have the power to make that call there is no evidence of who said that. So we can take that as a load too...

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Re: Maher Arar given $10mil for being sent by US to Syria for torture

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So then you support the government that tortured him.
No, I don't. I don't support a US invasion or interference either, as this would only help to damage America's reputation in the region further. My point was that Syria isn't an international threat to anyone, they just like beating their chest.

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They had the capability to torture Arar, now didn't they. So why are you defending that leftoland?
I'm not defending them. In fact, you are. It was the US, who delivered Arar to them, knowing very well that he would be tortured. You can play naive and claim that you had no idea and it's all like Disneyland over there, but extraction of information the hard way was the only purpose the US got their hands on him and shipped him off. Syria is responsible for the torture, the US is responsible for putting him in that situation in the first place. Does that make all of America bad? No, but it shows that even the US is capable of mistakes, despite what you seem to think,

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Blah Blah. They will say that regardless of what we do so that is simply irrelevant. They are a leftoland country, remember??? Truth means nothing in leftoland. They will always blame their failures on the USA and Israel, anything but their own failed Marxist system.
And you blame Syria for your mistakes, right now. You handed the guy over, a mistake, and try to hide that it was a mistake. But apparently, no government institution/agency can ever make a mistake, huh?

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Syria is as leftoland. In leftoland individuals have no rights. They can LEGALLY do whatever the fuck they want to an individual in leftoland.
Understand or no? Or did that go way the fuck over your head AGAIN?
And I ask again, is this someone the US should work with? If it's true that you wanna defend freedom and all, isn't that a bad choice?
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Re: Maher Arar given $10mil for being sent by US to Syria for torture

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There is a claim that CSIS said they didn't want his return, but quite frankly not only does CSIS not have the power to make that call there is no evidence of who said that.
I should clarify this further, that was in regards to Syria, while Arar was still in US custody

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The RCMP’s third communication of note with American authorities during
Mr. Arar’s detention in New York actually involved two phone calls between
Corporal Rick Flewelling of CID and an FBI agent, the first on October 4 and
the second on October 5. During the second call, the FBI agent said that the
United States did not have enough information to charge Mr. Arar and was looking
to remove him. He indicated that Mr. Arar had asked to be sent to Canada,
and Washington wanted to know whether the RCMP could charge him or refuse
him entry to Canada. The corporal responded that there was not enough evidence
to charge Mr. Arar in Canada and that it was likely that he could not be
refused entry to Canada.
http://www.ararcommission.ca/eng/AR_English.pdf

So basically hairball, you have no basis for your claims do you?
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