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Old 02-12-2007
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Re: NPR and PBS facing more budget cuts, don't let it happen~!

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So, links are noew required.

Okay, but it still won't make-up for knowledge.
But it will help us gain knowledge
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Re: NPR and PBS facing more budget cuts, don't let it happen~!

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Hearst hyped the exciuse for war not in the NYT, but in the defunct 'New York Journal American.'
Yellow journalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Yellow journalism is a pejorative reference to journalism that features scandal-mongering, sensationalism, jingoism or other unethical or unprofessional practices by news media organizations or individual journalists.

The term originated during the circulation battles between Joseph Pulitzer's New York World and William Randolph Hearst's New York Journal from 1895 to about 1898, and can refer specifically to this period. Both papers were accused by critics of sensationalizing the news in order to drive up circulation, although the newspapers did serious reporting as well. The New York Press coined the term "Yellow Journalism" in early 1897 to describe the papers of Pulitzer and Hearst. The newspaper did not define the term, and in 1898 simply elaborated, "We called them Yellow because they are Yellow."
I stand corrected.




But in either case it only demonstrates that your original point of the press being an agency for the good is wrong.
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Re: NPR and PBS facing more budget cuts, don't let it happen~!

'The average age of a textbook in a California school is 13 years old.

I mentioned this little fact because Bush was governor of Texas and I think that the people of Texas put more emphasis on education than do the people of California for example.

Historically, Texas has been more "conservative" than California even when Texas was run by democrats they were more conservative. As far as demos go I like the ones that come out of Texas for the most part.'

Fenianforver #89.

A bit off topic, but Texas sets what we see in outr texts due to their quantity-buying power.

Since Texas is Texas, and takes a jingoist view of what happened, many of us not in the 'Republic of Outlaws loosely allied with The United States'- Pete Gent, suppliment the texts with other, more accurate, sources so the kids have a chance to know what really happened.
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Re: NPR and PBS facing more budget cuts, don't let it happen~!

To the contrary, Fenian#92, it shows why those in the 1930's understood that if someone can buy a radio station (or TV), they can 'buy' the facts.

Hence, The Fairness Doctrine.
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Re: NPR and PBS facing more budget cuts, don't let it happen~!

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A bit off topic, but Texas sets what we see in outr texts due to their quantity-buying power.
The topic was off because Ironmaiden started making all kinds of crazy accusations that were mostly incoherent.
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Re: NPR and PBS facing more budget cuts, don't let it happen~!

No problem with being off-topic by me, Fenianforever.

Conversations are bound to wander.
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Re: NPR and PBS facing more budget cuts, don't let it happen~!

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To the contrary, Fenian#92, it shows why those in the 1930's understood that if someone can buy a radio station (or TV), they can 'buy' the facts.

Hence, The Fairness Doctrine.

That is merely your opinion. And by forcing the taxpayers to fund the lefty NPR and PBS that is the height of purchasing facts.

Now what the libbies want to do is not only have access to the lefty bias of public broadcasting but make the free enterprise of Limbaugh et al also espouse their views.

And you are the one running off at the mouth about fascism?

Laugable.
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Re: NPR and PBS facing more budget cuts, don't let it happen~!

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No problem with being off-topic by me, Fenianforever.

Conversations are bound to wander.
haha but you couldn't help mentioning it though?

When I was a kid my Mom wouldn't let me watch PBS {Sesame Street} things like that because she sensed the bias inherent there.

She was right.
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Re: NPR and PBS facing more budget cuts, don't let it happen~!

hat is merely your opinion. And by forcing the taxpayers to fund the lefty NPR and PBS that is the height of purchasing facts.

Fenianforver #97.

'We would never have gone to war (Iraq), or have the economic system we now have, if our media was not controlled by a few corporations.'-
Dennis Kucinich.

How about those WMD's that CNN, CBS, et al said we'd find?

Also, if PBS is the one with the bias, then why has Tomlinson fought so hard to keep the views of average Americans from being aired by Bill Moyers?
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Re: NPR and PBS facing more budget cuts, don't let it happen~!

Point of order,

Quote referenced above should say 'That is merely your opinion.'
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Re: NPR and PBS facing more budget cuts, don't let it happen~!

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'We would never have gone to war (Iraq), or have the economic system we now have, if our media was not controlled by a few corporations.'-
Dennis Kucinich.
Dennis Kucinich is a midget moron.

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How about those WMD's that CNN, CBS, et al said we'd find?
It wasn't only them but ALL of the intelligence agencies in the world.

What did PBS say?

Or is it a foregone conclusion that they were against the war because the are inherently leftist?

It wouldn't surprise me.

You are touting PBS as some independent and valuable entity but then it is directly controlled by the government and hence would be more likely subject to interference than would be those private organizations you mention.

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Also, if PBS is the one with the bias, then why has Tomlinson fought so hard to keep the views of average Americans from being aired by Bill Moyers?
I am not familiar with the case. Is Tomlinson the former director that Bush had appointed? I don't know.

Why does any news agency make editorial decisions?

Why does CNN not show the people jumping from the Towers but shows some terrorist killing a US soldier?
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Re: NPR and PBS facing more budget cuts, don't let it happen~!

But it will help us gain knowledge

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Perhaps it will. But I'd hope that basic stuff like we discuss here is previously known to all.
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Re: NPR and PBS facing more budget cuts, don't let it happen~!

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Perhaps it will. But I'd hope that basic stuff like we discuss here is previously known to all.
You couldn't possibly have posted as long as you have here without knowing that there are copyright issues that this site has to help enforce.

I would be willing to bet that there are at least a thousand topics that one person think should be common knowledge that you know nothing about.

Your view of common knowledge isn't necessarily what is common knowledge, and that doesn't excuse your from giving credit where it is due.
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Re: NPR and PBS facing more budget cuts, don't let it happen~!

It wasn't only them but ALL of the intelligence agencies in the world.

Fenianforever #101.

To the contrary, Hans Blix of the UN Inspectors, The French, The Germans, even the Czechs all knew what we were telling the world (re:WMD's)was just bullshit.

As Blix said, 'Why else did they (US) have to show us drawings instead
of actual photos of WMD labs?'

Even 'we' knew it. Coilin Powell and Condeleeza Rice were both (independenly) taped by US Media saying that Iraq had no WMD's, and 'could not even project power in the region' in Summer, 2001.

But the US media repeated the lies ('Curve Ball', for christ's sake??!!) because they are owned by 4-5 corporations who would and did make a helluva lot of $$ from a war.

PBS, of course, was largely muzzeled.

Here's the gist of the Tomilnson/Moyers fued.

Back when Clinton was Prez, Moyers interviewd some average US workers about the economy. This was in 1992, just after his election.

Then in 1996 (in the height of our 'boom'), he re-interviewwd those same families. The first interviews saw people upbeat about the future; the second found them depressed, dismissing ALL political parties.

Why?

Nafta had come-in and the good jobs had gone, to be replaced with 3rd worlsd ones.

Here's where Tomlinson enters the picture:

He was so pissed that unlike CNN, etc, who would have a DC insider debating another DC insider on,say, Matthews or Blitzer (in other words, the corporate Dems vs the corporate Goppers, moderated by a GE employee), Moyers had the tumerity to go to the AVERAGE person for their views
that he called up the Bush people and set-up a system for monitoring what the 'dangerous' Baptist Minister turned journalist was showing the nation on his show.

So, who really wants to skew (and screw) the facts?
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Re: NPR and PBS facing more budget cuts, don't let it happen~!

Fenianforever,

I cited my source.

This link thing is just another little rule to cover-up our lack of knowledge, as a whole.

Agreed, there are a multitude of subject (opera springs to mind) that I know zero about, but not History/US politics.

And this ain't an opera site.
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