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Re: "We let the soldiers down"

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Well the Media never call it like it is...
Your statement is exceedingly vague and lacks any form of proof. Perhaps you could show us some proof?
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Re: "We let the soldiers down"

Remember the reporting of the Viet Nam war where they stepped over the body’s of are solders to get a photo of a dead woman and child that were in the hut that opened fire on them? This is what were talking about. Any scandal or wrong you will hear about is either false or exaggerated. It’s not even about war, it’s who they want in political power. If this were kerry or al-gore you would be hearing of our victories and be shown only the best medical facilities.
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Re: "We let the soldiers down"

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And who could argue with visionaries like them?
Who would have publicly dared?

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Re: "We let the soldiers down"

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Even Hitler and Stallin wouldnt allow their people to hear whats going on in the war.I bet even the Russian people wasnt aware the cuban missle crises was going on nor they were told about the berlin wall.
So, Steveox, your argument is that the Walter Reed Hospital fiasco is the media's fault because they broke the story? I don't follow. This story is just another example that the neo-cons don't really support the troops just because that's the myth about conservatives. The hypocrisy has to be pointed out because conservatives remind us all the time how much they are the team that's got the military on it's side.
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Well the Media never call it like it is..The American Media is like Baseball Umpires favoring the Yankees.
You say the media never calls it like it is, Steveox. Yet the media apparently got it 'right' this time now, didn't they? They must have gotten it 'right', Steveox, seeing as how heads are rolling as a result of this- on the orders of Senior Military Officials no less. And it wouldn't have happened and the necessary 'changes' wouldn't have been made if not for the consequences of such "media exposure". This demonstrates, in no uncertain terms, the need for transparency in governmental, military and civilian institutions and also demonstrates the need- and worth- of an unfettered media and the right of the American citizenry to know what the government and the military is- and is not- doing.

Sorry, Steveox, but I would rather take the inherent risks of media exposure and transparency in government over what you propose, which would only lead to a continuation of what we have just seen- the difference being primarily that it would continue in secrecy. I don't know about you, Steveox, but I prefer living in a free country and I prefer to know what our government, our military and our civilian and corporate entities are up to. If that is something that you find hard to tolerate then my suggestion to you would be to start looking for some other nation in which to live. There are nations whose governments work in a manner that you are apparently more comfortable with, you know.

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That would be because the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were highly authoritarian regimes. Using your argument, since Hitler exterminated people he didn't like, we should let Bush do it, too.
You might be uncomfortably close to the truth there, Slon.

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Scandal!!! What is this with the media? It’s a hundred freaking years old, 28 acres big and has 5,500 rooms and under the authority of congress not the Bush administration. Sheesh.
The media should do there homework: Walter Reed Army Medical Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Point being?

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Re: "We let the soldiers down"

Here's a little something else that just came in:

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Gates was surprised when the army named Lieutenant General Kevin Kiley, the army's surgeon general, to temporarily replace Weightman when Kiley himself had been a target of criticism, said a senior defense official, who asked not to be identified.

The Post had reported that Kiley was aware of complaints about outpatient care of wounded soldiers as far back as 2003 when he was the commander of the center.

Kiley had earlier dismissed the Post stories as "one-sided."
"One sided". Hmmm, seems to be a common complaint among the neocons and conservatives about the "one-sided" liberal media. The neocons and conservatives are always saying that. But isn't it amazing how often that "one-sided" liberal media gets it 'right' on the money? And gets good- and necessary- things to happen?

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No The Media let the troops down because of Liberal Reporting. See if Bush would had put the rules back as they were back in WWII the Media would be following goverments strict orders not to cover the war. Just like FDR did. Back in those days in WWII American media didnt have the freedom to cover the war.Back in those days when a commanding officer tells the reporter to leave he better leave or he will go to jail and they know it too.We have gave too much freedom to the media.
Sounds to me like you support fascism. "Zieg Heil!"
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Re: "We let the soldiers down"

As usual partisianship blinds the real issue.
This hospital was present long before Bush came in office.
Problems with veteran post-war treatment has been an issue since the Revolutionary war.

And as long as people continue to point fingers, rather than actually address the problem: veteran mistreatment will continue.
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Re: "We let the soldiers down"

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This hospital was present long before Bush came in office.
The problem is caused by the amount of wounded people exceeding the capacity of the hospital.
The military failed to ramp up medical care when a war was started and the number of casualties skyrocketed as expected.
The hospital existing for how long is totally irrrelevant.


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And as long as people continue to point fingers, rather than actually address the problem: veteran mistreatment will continue.
The partisanship was started by steveox in this case
And you are absolutely right.
If things go on like steveox would want, then yes, veteran mistreatment will continue.
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Re: "We let the soldiers down"

I think it is funny that any of you are making a big deal out of what the OP posted. Normally, most of you, as "I", pay absolutely no attention to him, or at best, LAUGH.
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Qouting Steveox:

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We have gave too much freedom to the media.
Damn, you write just like George W. Bush speaks! Is that a common trait with folks like you and Bush? What causes that?

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