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Re: Chavez uses racist epithet referring to Bush

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I don't know why you can't go there. Ask Joe Biden, he made the comment. I guess he is promoting a stereotype that only middle easterners own 7-11's and DUnkin donuts.
You appear to be confused here. India is not in the Middle East, it is in Asia.
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Post #2 details the meaning of the word and how it is used.
Interesting that you bring this up. I notice that you purposefully left out a part of the definition. Care to retract your statement that it is not racist? Here, let me help you.

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The Anglosphere: Hispanic migrants to the USA occasionally use the term as a more derogatory synonym of anglo.
If it is derogatory towards a "race" would it not be "racist"?
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Re: Chavez uses racist epithet referring to Bush

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Interesting that you bring this up. I notice that you purposefully left out a part of the definition.
I notice that you left out all other parts of the defintion too. How come?
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I notice that you left out all other parts of the defintion too. How come?


Because marshmallows don't have bones.
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Sorry, but Wikipedia is not an authoritative source for, well, anything.

I could easily go to the Wiki right now, and edit it to show Gringo as a racial slur.

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Do you speak Spanish, Portuguese, etc? If so you'd understand the translation of gringo to English has no racial connotations. Unless foreigner is to be construed as a racial slur.
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Re: Chavez uses racist epithet referring to Bush

Matt, you keep beating yourself against the rocks to criticize Chavez. I don't understand, because for someone of your ideological mentality there is plenty to criticize him on legitimately.

Why do you feel the need to construct an argument based on falsehood? "Gringo go home" simply means "American go home" in a not very nice way. And we're supposed to be surprised? He called Dubya the devil, for Christ's sake.

It is simply not a matter of race. Yes, most Americans happen to be white, but that's empirical evidence. If I were to go down to Latin America they'd call me Gringo too, even though I'm half Colombian.

I think a more apt comparison than "nigger" would be something that I'm sure the southerner members of this board will understand... "Yankee go home."
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Re: Chavez uses racist epithet referring to Bush

This is almost exactly like the debate on the term 'hajji' in a different thread.

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Re: Chavez uses racist epithet referring to Bush

Why isnt Jessie Jackson and Rev Al Sharpton people speaking out? LETS BOYCOTT CITGO!!

BOYCOTT EXXON- MOBIL = Until gas goes down below $2 a gallon
BOYCOTT CITGO = Until Chavez is removed from power or he dies.
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Why isnt Jessie Jackson and Rev Al Sharpton people speaking out? LETS BOYCOTT CITGO!!

BOYCOTT EXXON- MOBIL = Until gas goes down below $2 a gallon
BOYCOTT CITGO = Until Chavez is removed from power or he dies.
He's young... could be a while. What are you suggesting?
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Re: Chavez uses racist epithet referring to Bush

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"Gringo" is not a racist epithet, in case that is what you are referring to.



Gringo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you think it's racist, please advise why.
It most certainly was, I don’t care what they teach you guys today.
It was not universal or with more then one meaning.
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He's young... could be a while. What are you suggesting?
Im suggesting to do what Pat Robertson said
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Re: Chavez uses racist epithet referring to Bush

Gringo is not a bad word, that is all.
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Gringo is not a bad word, that is all.
Yeah, I'm sure Chavez meant it as a term of endearment and respect.



It's a derogatory term (the only kind of term Chavez would use for Bush) based on race / national origin.

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Re: Chavez uses racist epithet referring to Bush

OMG is there really a fight about this? Clearly it was meant as a disparaging comment, clearly it has ten times more to do with national identity, rather than racial identity as you'll be hard pressed to glean out the racial differences between Chavez and Bush. As for boycotting Citgo, go for it, I think it's the best way to express your anger. Too bad that won't do anything to stop price gouging.
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Re: Chavez uses racist epithet referring to Bush

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So, where exactly in this definition does it say the term is racist?
FWIW (and probably not too much), my personal experience is that the term is racist in nature. There is a sizeable Hispanic population in my area, and, growing up, I worked closely with a lot of Hispanics (my fluency in Spanish helped). Generally, they used the term in a racist way and also in a friendly way (calling me 'gringo', for example). I think the term was used toward me in the same vein that black people call one another "nigga". Anyway, my experience was that it was used predominantly to describe white people who were wealthy and generally rude. It was only used to describe white people, and it was never "friendly" (with the exception of what I mentioned). Personally, I believe that this qualifies it as 'racist' - at least, in my experience.

And, on a side note, one of the most startling things to me, growing up and associating with a lot of Hispanics, is that a lot of Hispanics are virulently racist toward one another. When I worked as a golf caddy, I worked with a lot of Hispanics, many Mexican. However, there were also some Salvadorians, Hondurans, Puerto Ricans, and Venezuelans. If someone would blithely and ignorantly refer to any of these as a 'Mexican', they would become furious. I originally thought it was because they were incensed that the 'gringo' couldn't be bothered to learn their country of origin, but that wasn't it. Apparently, Hispanics from those countries, living here, believe that Mexicans are genuinely inferior... I learned this by having several of them tell it to me in no uncertain terms.
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