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Old 03-10-2007
MyLai MyLai is offline
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Re: Chavez uses racist epithet referring to Bush

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Your funny MyLai.

You an expert on white males?

Are you gay?

Do you want to BE gay?

How would YOU know HOW a white male feels?

Me thinks you have your races confused good sir.

I'm a white male, I don't feel oppressed, exploited, enslaved or dominated.

Could it be, that you've miss spoken AGAIN? Say it ain't so.....
Maybe you should try it one day. I bet you`ll like it.
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Maybe you should try it one day. I bet you`ll like it.
So, I should assume by that response that YOU recommend it?

Kinda the, "been there, done that" thing?

I'm trying to engage you in debate here MyLai, all you seem to be doing, is quoting other people, most, long dead, or making cute little remarks.

If this is the best you can do, well, quite frankly, your a puss, and I'll move on to bigger game.

Your move troll.......
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So, I should assume by that response that YOU recommend it?

Kinda the, "been there, done that" thing?

I'm trying to engage you in debate here MyLai

Your move troll.......
Your comittment to a constructive culture of debate can convincingly be depicted from your posts as well as from the language you use.
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Your comittment to a constructive culture of debate can convincingly be depicted from your posts as well as from the language you use.
LANGUAGE, thats a preseptive YOU need to pay more attention to.

Communication of thoughts and feelings through a system of arbitrary signals, such as voice sounds, gestures, or written symbols.
b. Such a system including its rules for combining its components, such as words.
c. Such a system as used by a nation, people, or other distinct community; often contrasted with dialect.
2.
a. A system of signs, symbols, gestures, or rules used in communicating: the language of algebra.
b. Computer Science A system of symbols and rules used for communication with or between computers.
3. Body language; kinesics.
4. The special vocabulary and usages of a scientific, professional, or other group: "his total mastery of screen languagecamera placement, editingand his handling of actors" (Jack Kroll).
5. A characteristic style of speech or writing: Shakespearean language.
6. A particular manner of expression: profane language; persuasive language.
7. The manner or means of communication between living creatures other than humans: the language of dolphins.
8. Verbal communication as a subject of study.
9. The wording of a legal document or statute as distinct from the spirit.
language synonyms
noun
A system of terms used by a people sharing a history and culture: dialect, speech, tongue, vernacular. Linguistics: langue. See words
Specialized expressions indigenous to a particular field, subject, trade, or subculture: argot, cant2, dialect, idiom, jargon, lexicon, lingo, patois, terminology, vernacular, vocabulary.

I don't think you have a CLUE what language is my dear child.

Grow up.

Your dismissed.........
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LANGUAGE, thats a preseptive YOU need to pay more attention to.

Communication of thoughts and feelings through a system of arbitrary signals, such as voice sounds, gestures, or written symbols.
b. Such a system including its rules for combining its components, such as words.
c. Such a system as used by a nation, people, or other distinct community; often contrasted with dialect.
2.
a. A system of signs, symbols, gestures, or rules used in communicating: the language of algebra.
b. Computer Science A system of symbols and rules used for communication with or between computers.
3. Body language; kinesics.
4. The special vocabulary and usages of a scientific, professional, or other group: "his total mastery of screen languagecamera placement, editingand his handling of actors" (Jack Kroll).
5. A characteristic style of speech or writing: Shakespearean language.
6. A particular manner of expression: profane language; persuasive language.
7. The manner or means of communication between living creatures other than humans: the language of dolphins.
8. Verbal communication as a subject of study.
9. The wording of a legal document or statute as distinct from the spirit.
language synonyms
noun
A system of terms used by a people sharing a history and culture: dialect, speech, tongue, vernacular. Linguistics: langue. See words
Specialized expressions indigenous to a particular field, subject, trade, or subculture: argot, cant2, dialect, idiom, jargon, lexicon, lingo, patois, terminology, vernacular, vocabulary.

I don't think you have a CLUE what language is my dear child.

Grow up.

Your dismissed.........
You like to dismiss, don`t you? - That points towards a deep psychological traumatic experience you must have had. Probably when you were in the elementary school or a freshman.
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You like to dismiss, don`t you? - That points towards a deep psychological traumatic experience you must have had. Probably when you were in the elementary school or a freshman.
This is fresh.

Now you try the psychoanalyze ploy, how lame.

Go back to school.

Make of your short coming what you will, that changes nothing, and doesn't bring with it, the interaction you seem to want.

When you mature, and wish to partake in a intelligent conversation, make a post, that I find stimulating, and if your lucky, I may respond.

Happy trails young lady.........
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But Matt, it's impossible to to make a racist comment against a white male. That is why Gringo is not offensive.

Kramer
I think this pretty much nails it. Even if you said it sarcastically. Did you?

Gringo, cracker, WASP, Yankee. I'm all those things. None of them really offends me though, even though they are racial generalizations. My black friend in NYC used to call me cracker. It was funny actually.

Whites are at the top of the "racial superiority chain". Most cultures think they are superior to some other culture. Most of them use skin color to as a gauge. It's pretty fucking ridiculous to use skin color to measure superiority, but that's where we are folks.
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Re: Chavez uses racist epithet referring to Bush

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this thread totally cracks me up

if anyone other than chavez said "gringo" in a scentence there would be anarchy and gnashing of teeth

too fucking funny , anything said towards bush in a negative manner is OKY DOKY
So you're offended by the term gringo?

Or are you just here to defend the worst President in the history of the USA again?
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Old 03-10-2007
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So let the companies leave - and take their generators, oil rigs and transmission equipment with them.

Matt
Chavez wouldn't cry about it, please, tell them to get out and see if they do. See if they don't cry for war.

Oil companies don't own Venezuela and shouldn't be characterized as if they do. Let them go.
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Re: Chavez uses racist epithet referring to Bush

I just watched BABEL

in that movie gringo was used 15 times.......all of them were in a racist manner for what its worth
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Old 03-10-2007
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Re: Chavez uses racist epithet referring to Bush

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The good news is that the term "racist" has become so offensive that even the right uses it, often incorrectly, to try to make a point.
Yes, BaC. That was my first thought when I opened the thread.

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As a white person, I'm not really offended when a black person calls me cracker or a latino person calls me a gringo. I think it's because white people have always been the oppressor and never the oppressed.

Having said that, gringo and cracker and any other "nickname" for white people ARE racist names just like nigger or spic. The difference is, white people don't feel put down by these names. White people haven't been put down by other races. The words are racist, but they don't have the same power as words that white people use against other races.

IMHO.
I think that’s true, Sam, though I’m not sure that “Gringo” has the same patent racist connotation as the other words you cite.

Also, following on your point, the reaction to Chavez may be an indication that the era of white (sense of) dominance is coming to an end.

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Matt, you keep beating yourself against the rocks to criticize Chavez. I don't understand, because for someone of your ideological mentality there is plenty to criticize him on legitimately.

Why do you feel the need to construct an argument based on falsehood? "Gringo go home" simply means "American go home" in a not very nice way. And we're supposed to be surprised? He called Dubya the devil, for Christ's sake.

It is simply not a matter of race. Yes, most Americans happen to be white, but that's empirical evidence. If I were to go down to Latin America they'd call me Gringo too, even though I'm half Colombian.

I think a more apt comparison than "nigger" would be something that I'm sure the southerner members of this board will understand... "Yankee go home."
Good post, Donkey.

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this thread totally cracks me up

if anyone other than chavez said "gringo" in a scentence there would be anarchy and gnashing of teeth

too fucking funny , anything said towards bush in a negative manner is OKY DOKY
The thread cracks me up too, but it’s more the case that such a big deal is being made of it BECAUSE it was Chavez saying it, and BECAUSE it was directed at Bush.

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Re: Chavez uses racist epithet referring to Bush

I think Chavez's choice of words was unbecoming of a Statesman. But I don’t think he intended it as a racial slur.

Anyway, the word refers to foreigners and is comparable to the word “alien” in its denotation, I believe, though the connotation of the two words may be different in some respect. .

The word “alien”, which MattLarson uses in his post 73 here, is used in official parlance in the US, including in legislation, I believe. In my view, it is just as chauvinistic in its connotation, if not more, than “Gringo”, which stems more from the rhetoric of the struggle for liberation and independence than from the rhetoric of xenophobia, which gives us “alien”.

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Re: Chavez uses racist epithet referring to Bush

What was Chavez thinking? "Mass Murderer" would have been more appropriate.
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Re: Chavez uses racist epithet referring to Bush

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Im suggesting to do what Pat Robertson said
That would absurdly foolish.
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Gringo is not a bad word, that is all.
Sure it is. Just not inherently racist.
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FWIW (and probably not too much), my personal experience is that the term is racist in nature. There is a sizeable Hispanic population in my area, and, growing up, I worked closely with a lot of Hispanics (my fluency in Spanish helped). Generally, they used the term in a racist way and also in a friendly way (calling me 'gringo', for example). I think the term was used toward me in the same vein that black people call one another "nigga". Anyway, my experience was that it was used predominantly to describe white people who were wealthy and generally rude. It was only used to describe white people, and it was never "friendly" (with the exception of what I mentioned). Personally, I believe that this qualifies it as 'racist' - at least, in my experience.

And, on a side note, one of the most startling things to me, growing up and associating with a lot of Hispanics, is that a lot of Hispanics are virulently racist toward one another. When I worked as a golf caddy, I worked with a lot of Hispanics, many Mexican. However, there were also some Salvadorians, Hondurans, Puerto Ricans, and Venezuelans. If someone would blithely and ignorantly refer to any of these as a 'Mexican', they would become furious. I originally thought it was because they were incensed that the 'gringo' couldn't be bothered to learn their country of origin, but that wasn't it. Apparently, Hispanics from those countries, living here, believe that Mexicans are genuinely inferior... I learned this by having several of them tell it to me in no uncertain terms.
There is a TON of racism in Latin America. For instance, northern Mexicans are often very racist against southern Mexicans. Northerners are "whiter" (spaniard descent), whereas southerners are more descended from indigenous groups. But I can understand being upset about being called Mexican. I mean, I don't like it when people call me Mexican. I'm Colombian dammit. and it's spelled with an O not a U, dammit. And I have good natured banter with my Mexican friends about which is better... I would liken it more to calling an American a Canadian or a Scottish guy an Englishman.
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That would absurdly foolish.

Sure it is. Just not inherently racist.

There is a TON of racism in Latin America. For instance, northern Mexicans are often very racist against southern Mexicans. Northerners are "whiter" (spaniard descent), whereas southerners are more descended from indigenous groups. But I can understand being upset about being called Mexican. I mean, I don't like it when people call me Mexican. I'm Colombian dammit. and it's spelled with an O not a U, dammit.
Not if you're from the District of Columbia.

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