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Old 04-20-2007
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Re: Republicans Call For Gonzales' Resignation

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I don't beleive impeachment is available for his office. however they could file other charges against him, and/or censure him.
Any federal officer can be impeached.
But that is immaterial.
It's a political world, and the only good thing you can say about Gonzales is that now Cheney doesn't look as bad.
How would you like to be a GOP Senator or Representative, facing an election in 2008? Do you really want to present yourself to the voters as a member of the Bush Team? Who defended Gonzales at the hearings? The Republicans were on his case just as hard as the Democrats, because they want to be re-elected and supporting this guy is death at the polls.


The calculus they are doing now is weighing the timing, I think the guy is gone, it's a question of whether they bounce him now, while the spotlight is still on him, and make it look like they are weak and caving in to pressure.
Or do they take the damage now, and have him resign after the spotlight has shifted to someone else.

Either way, I doubt he'll be there in November 2008.

Then they have the problem of getting a new AG past the Senate. Because this senate won't rubber stamp a Bush Team Player, and while a guy with a reputation for honesty and integrity would sail through the process, I don't think that's what the Bush Team wants running the Justice Department.
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I don't beleive impeachment is available for his office. however they could file other charges against him, and/or censure him.
I believe impeachment is an option for Gonzalez, if Congress chose to do so.
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Old 04-20-2007
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I believe impeachment is an option for Gonzalez, if Congress chose to do so.
It is, but it would be rather pointless. Every cabinet member in every administration hands in a letter of resignation as soon as they take office (the prez just has to sign and date it).

Therefore, impeachment proceedings would never get that far.
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Re: Republicans Call For Gonzales' Resignation

Another GOoPer Tees Off On Gonzo!

The third highest member in the House GOP leadership, Rep. Adam Putnam of Florida, called for the resignation of Attorney General Toast today. He is also chairman of the Republican Conference.

Goozo's future is looking progressively worse with today's raid on GOP Rep. Rick Renzi's Patriot Insurance Co. as part of an ongoing corruption investigation into Department of Justice politicization. What a bunch of disgusting bottom-feeders these rightwads are!

There are simply no honest, upstanding Republicans left. None...
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Re: Republicans Call For Gonzales' Resignation

yes he does look weak and ineffectual..but I am still waiting for the proof that he did something wrong....thats generally what grand juries and senate hearings, oops no strike senate hearings, those are for sound bytes...are for....
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yes he does look weak and ineffectual..but I am still waiting for the proof that he did something wrong....thats generally what grand juries and senate hearings, oops no strike senate hearings, those are for sound bytes...are for....
Any minute now, Bush is going to slap Gonzales on the back and holler "Heckuva job you're doing there Gonzo!" and Gonzales' balls are going to shrink up inside his body as he realises he's about to be thrown under the bus.
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Any minute now, Bush is going to slap Gonzales on the back and holler "Heckuva job you're doing there Gonzo!" and Gonzales' balls are going to shrink up inside his body as he realises he's about to be thrown under the bus.
maybe ...and maybe he deserves it since justice is his shop...he clearly blew this.....but it won't be because there was any illegal activity proven..I mean that’s what this is really about right? At least I thought it was....I winder...I wonder, if that’s senatorial buffoon shouting that its impossible to lose emails realized just how easy it actually is...to have a sever burp and wreck you’re mail box etc......its happened to me many times....and I work for a 5 star company with excellent IT support....also, the dept. was going through a software switch and upgrade while these mails were being sent etc......and we all know how efficient the government is and who they employ on a low bid basis...I also wonder how much shouting he did when Hillary all of sudden, *gasp*, found that crate of documents that were under subpoena for 2 years in her closet...
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maybe ...and maybe he deserves it since justice is his shop...he clearly blew this.....but it won't be because there was any illegal activity proven..I mean that’s what this is really about right? At least I thought it was....I winder...I wonder, if that’s senatorial buffoon shouting that its impossible to lose emails realized just how easy it actually is...to have a sever burp and wreck you’re mail box etc......its happened to me many times....and I work for a 5 star company with excellent IT support....also, the dept. was going through a software switch and upgrade while these mails were being sent etc......and we all know how efficient the government is and who they employ on a low bid basis...I also wonder how much shouting he did when Hillary all of sudden, *gasp*, found that crate of documents that were under subpoena for 2 years in her closet...
Oh my god, you've got to be kidding me with the e-mail excuses.
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Then they have the problem of getting a new AG past the Senate. Because this senate won't rubber stamp a Bush Team Player, and while a guy with a reputation for honesty and integrity would sail through the process, I don't think that's what the Bush Team wants running the Justice Department.
Imagine... this is the administration that CLAIMED it was going to bring integrity back to the White House... and it's also the party that CLAIMS to represent Family Values...
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Imagine... this is the administration that CLAIMED it was going to bring integrity back to the White House... and it's also the party that CLAIMS to represent Family Values...
Hello, Stripey1. I told you I'd visit!
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There are simply no honest, upstanding Republicans left. None...
I'm sorry, Angel, but I'm going to have to take exception to this...

I offer Bruce Fein as a fine upstanding and honest Republican... too bad there aren't more where he came from...

or from anywhere else, for that matter...
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Re: Republicans Call For Gonzales' Resignation

Gonzales came off like an idiot yesterday. It pisses me off because he was saying weeks ago that he'd "bring it" the day of the hearing, but instead he seemed unprepared, aloof, just another friend of Bush without any qualifications necessary to understand his own job.

The scariest thing is that he signed off on these firings without knowing any of the individual cases. No matter how much you love your party, if someone comes to you with a bunch of names and asks you to get rid of them, wouldn't you be curious about who these people are and what it is you're getting rid of them for? Gonzales isn't the AG, he's just a high-level sniper. How can he protect you if he can't even protect the people who work for him? This is so low it makes me sick.
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Oh my god, you've got to be kidding me with the e-mail excuses.
dude ..stop it...I take you for a level headed guy.......please don't tell me you have never lost mail, especially during a upgrade or change of systems... etc...you have I have (maybe you don't have a job where I you use multiple e mail accounts etc.) it happens....as I said, crates of papers disappear,
e mails disappear...thats life..
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maybe ...and maybe he deserves it since justice is his shop...he clearly blew this.....but it won't be because there was any illegal activity proven..I mean that’s what this is really about right? At least I thought it was....I winder...I wonder, if that’s senatorial buffoon shouting that its impossible to lose emails realized just how easy it actually is...to have a sever burp and wreck you’re mail box etc......its happened to me many times....and I work for a 5 star company with excellent IT support....

your ***** (lurkers please note... that's five stars, not profanity) company doesn't have back up files?
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