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But not you. You'll never let a single fact get in the way of your delirium.
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But not you. You'll never let a single fact get in the way of your delirium.
Delerium would be preferable to what jviehe and those like him/her suffer from, Mark Twain.
The "facts" scare them shitless because they threaten their increasingly tenous hold on their facade of " truth" and "reality". But false pride always precedes the fall, and that fall is going to be one helluva crash and burn. I'm so grateful I'm not standing in their shoes because when that fall comes it's really gonna hurt. But, hey, they will have brought it upon themselves, just like they did the last time around.
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Re: Pat Tillman's death ressurected- Testimony of Brother, Family and Jessica Lynch.

This is as good an accounting as youll get of what really happened to Lynch. Its obvious most of Tillmans and Lynch complaints should be directed at the media, and not the military.

http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Pu...yzazb.asp?pg=1
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This is as good an accounting as youll get of what really happened to Lynch. Its obvious most of Tillmans and Lynch complaints should be directed at the media, and not the military.

The Story of Jessica Lynch
Why should they blame the media when the media is only reporting what the military officials and the WH told them? Don't you think it'd be wiser to lay the blame precisely where it belongs? Or have you forgotten that the WH and the Pentagon said, from the beginning of this war, that they would be engaging in a campaign of disseminating misinformation?

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Why should they blame the media when the media is only reporting what the military officials and the WH told them? Don't you think it'd be wiser to lay the blame precisely where it belongs? Or have you forgotten that the WH and the Pentagon said, from the beginning of this war, that they would be engaging in a campaign of disseminating misinformation?

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Much of what Tillman and Lynch have stated is based on media accounts, not official military sources. Where the military made a mistake in reporting on Tillmans death, it was corrected, but the media has already run with it. A football player who throws off millions to become an elite soldier and die heroically is a sensational story, as was Lynchs story. The military released a video of her rescue, they did not tell the media to talk about it for a week and turn her into a hero. Find me official sources in the military that sensationalized their stories and I might agree with you. But there is no evidence of that as of yet, as that article explains.
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Re: Pat Tillman's death ressurected- Testimony of Brother, Family and Jessica Lynch.

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Neither do I re: Pvt. Lynch. I do remember hearing about a fellow soldier who fought off ambushers, killing a few, until he ran out of ammo and was captured. I never heard about any similar heroics by Pvt. Lynch.....

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..... I also dont recall any rambo style accounting of Lynchs ambush by the military....
More selective memory?

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What does FOX have to do with this? It is obvious The Tillman family and Lynch have their own political agendas. I dont see why we should beleive them any more or less than the military. I seem to recall it was the media that built these stories up more than anyone else. That the public eats it up is no the fault of the Pentagon.
It was the Republican politicians actually, that fed the media, according to the deputy commander at United States Central Command from 2001 to 2003, who represented the military in dealing with politicians regarding the capture and rescue of Pfc. Jessica D. Lynch in Iraq

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That is truly amazing.

Next you'll be hearing Coulter call Tillman a liberal bastard who jumped into the line of fire only to embarass the Bush Administration for the "jihadists" he was working for .. and the goosesteppers will quack quack right along with her.

And Limbaugh, in his drug-induced never served a day in the military life, will be calling Lynch a communist who was converted to Islam during her visit with the "terrorists" .. and the lemmings will shout "ditto', "ditto", RushGod.

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No doubt that is how they view it.
No doubt it's the way it happened.

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This is as good an accounting as youll get of what really happened to Lynch. Its obvious most of Tillmans and Lynch complaints should be directed at the media, and not the military.

The Story of Jessica Lynch
The weekly neocon standard is never a good accounting of anything. The deputy commander at United States Central Command from 2001 to 2003, who represented the military in dealing with politicians regarding the capture and rescue of Pfc. Jessica D. Lynch in Iraq, IMHO is a good accounting. I'll post what he said below.

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Why should they blame the media when the media is only reporting what the military officials and the WH told them? Don't you think it'd be wiser to lay the blame precisely where it belongs? Or have you forgotten that the WH and the Pentagon said, from the beginning of this war, that they would be engaging in a campaign of disseminating misinformation?

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Seriously, do neocons believe the media makes stuff up? The Republicans feed the media lies, and then blame the media for reporting the lies! LOL! I hope the media has learned a valuable lesson in these past 6 years of lies and misleading information from the government.

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AS the deputy commander at United States Central Command from 2001 to 2003, I represented the military in dealing with politicians regarding the capture and rescue of Pfc. Jessica D. Lynch in Iraq, and thus I can speak with authority about what really happened after her maintenance convoy got lost near Nasiriya in 2003 and she was taken prisoner. I feel compelled to respond to accusations that have been made in recent days by several politicians.

The initial reports from the field regarding Private Lynch stated that she had gone down fighting, had emptied her weapon and that her actions were heroic. Based on these reports, politicians from her home state, West Virginia, wanted the military to award her the Medal of Honor. Their request rose up the ladder until finally it reached me.

But initial combat reports are often wrong. Time must always be taken to thoroughly investigate all claims. In the case of Private Lynch, additional time was needed, since she was suffering from combat shock and loss of memory; facts, therefore, had to be gathered from other sources. The military simply didn’t know at that point whether her actions merited a medal.

This is why, when the request landed on my desk, I told the politicians that we’d need to wait. I made it clear that no one would be awarded anything until all of the evidence was reviewed.

The politicians did not like this. They called repeatedly, through their Congressional liaison, and pressured us to recommend her for the medal, even before all the evidence had been analyzed. I would not relent and we had many heated discussions.

The politicians repeatedly said that a medal would be good for women in the military; I responded that the paramount issue was finding out what had really happened.
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Re: Pat Tillman's death ressurected- Testimony of Brother, Family and Jessica Lynch.

So Republicans, at what point does "they have an agenda" argument get old?

You know what's amazing in politics today? Republicans feel that there is no real opposition to their views. If there is any disagreement, it's due to a dubious agenda.

'The agenda' doesn't ever have to be defined. 'The agenda' doesn't have to be specific. 'The agenda' is a broad brush that has the ability to paint over anything, especially anything that disagrees with them.

Sheehan has an agenda. Now Lynch has an agenda. The entire Tillman family now has an agenda.

I'd like to know where I can purchase an instant agenda? Are they at Wal-Mart on Isle 6?

It seems that there are no honest people left to disagree with Republicans. I guess the world is evil and a select special few Americans in this universe are the only true visionaries. Meanwhile the Americans that take polls and participate in making public opinion all have agendas (or at least the higher percentage that disagrees with Republicans).

But when Americans dared to suggest an agenda by the Bush administration because they had TWO plans to invade Iraq before 9/11, it was time for Republicans to draw the line and say how dare we question people in power!

It's the blue-collar families that don't set policy or have lawmaking powers that are the true agenda pushers! They're the ones with all the power!
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So Republicans, at what point does "they have an agenda" argument get old?
Soon as it does for Dems I guess. Everyone has an agenda.
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Re: Pat Tillman's death ressurected- Testimony of Brother, Family and Jessica Lynch.

Dems need to draft Hercules. Going to be a lot of shit in the White House stables to be flushed out when the fuckers eventually leave.
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Dems need to draft Hercules. Going to be a lot of shit in the White House stables to be flushed out when the fuckers eventually leave.
Better bring some masks too- it's gonna reek!

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Yep, from the Augean Stables to the Aw Jeez Stables.
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The loyal party members applauded with tears in their eyes when Pat Tillman joined up. Ann Coulter almost orgasmed on tv in declaring Tillman a wonderful example of American manhood.

Strange how things turn out.

Tillman was indeed a fine example of American manhood, a man of rare courage and principle.
And to think there are people in this world who have courage and principle and brains, too.

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Speaking only for myself of course I have to admit that if I had a contract with an NFL team (pref the Rams) there is no way on this Earth that I would have quit and joined the Army.

But now the loyal party members have their orders. It's Hate Week for all things Tillman. Lynch-Tillman...lynch Tillman...the orders have gone out through the shockjock network. Ditto...ditto...ditto...ditto....dot. Hate Tillman! Hate Lynch! The party demands it. And the band played on.
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I'd like to know where I can purchase an instant agenda? Are they at Wal-Mart on Isle 6?
You can find them at KMart. Look for the "Blue Light Specials"!

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No doubt that is how they view it.
Maybe we view it that way because it's irrefutably true.

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