Do you really think Bush will bring the troops home if they don't have funding? This is a president who considers plastic bags armor and cardboard edible substance.

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

Do you realize that the Bush administration promised that the war would only cost us about one and a half billion dollars and the Iraqi oil would pay for the whole thing? That's what they told us. That was just another lie. The cost could top TWO TRILLION DOLLARS if it goes on till 2010.

Bush even fired the guy who said the war would cost 100 billion dollars. If only he was right!

"Six Questions for Gordon Adams on the Real Cost of the “War on Terror”" by Ken Silverstein (Harper's Magazine)

Report: Iraq war costs could top $2 trillion | csmonitor.com

Traveler here says we should just hand over the tax dollars, no questions asked. After being lied to, do you hand the liar all your money Traveler? This is another 400 billion dollars we are talking about, for a war Bush said would cost a little over one billion, and fired the guy who said it would cost 100 billion.

Why do you believe these liars?

Everything about this war has been a lie. It's time to end it. Enough is enough. It's breaking the back of our military and putting our country in massive debt.

If they can coerce the Iraqi leaders to take real, effective action that would actually be pretty damn supportive of the troops, I think. Now, I don't know if that's their aim here or just to drop in a "poison pill" as has been suggested elsewhere.

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I wonder if Bush could secretely start selling off US assests to pay for a continuation of the war into the future. I'm sure oil companies would be interested in ANWAR, we could sell the National Parks, etc. Arms sales ala Iran-Contra is also a possibility. This would remove congress from the funding equation.

It is rediculus to attach timelines or performance measurements to war funding. I suspect we will need to remain in Iraq for years to come, we cannot allow funding to be an impediment to our noble cause.

Thank you very much. There really isn't anything else to add to that. It's all been said already.

Yeah but at least ib this instance it has at least got some relevance to the topic; better than it being about say someone stubbing their toe and it being the fault of Bush or say you got a little drunk, got hungover and then blamed that on Bush. Of course you all on the left already know that is indeed his fault how the war in Iraq is to blame for your pet dog being run over but do at least humor us "non-intellects" from time to time eh?

Wow, what bastards the Congress. How dare they demand tangible benchmarks of success. What an awful thing to do to poor George.

The premise is noble but so would attacking China. Would you support such an endeavor to free the non-free Chinese population from their oppressive government? Of course not. The amount of violence that would ensue would not be worth it for the Chinese.

There are noble causes in this world that have to come to be realized on their own. Iraq was one of them.

I always took Cheney's word for it when he said that we had "turned the corner". I mean he has access to top secret information. Would he mislead America?

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

At this time, I would agree we cannot take on China. When the war on terror has been won, however, we will most likely need to address the potential Chines threat as well.

I believe you misunderstand the reference to the noble cause - it has nothing to do with the Iraqi (or Chinese) people and thier happiness, and everything to do with protecting the interests of the US and keeping our status as the lone superpower.

Threads merged.

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"Anyone that needs what they want, and doesn’t want what they need
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And to do what I please
Is first on my to-do list"
-Gnarls Barkley, "Going On" lyrics

"Chines"? The proper term is celestials.

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

Sarcasm has no use here, and yes, I think that without funding, the troops have to come home.

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http://www.fairtax.org

Elminate all taxes on income and replace with a national sales tax.

Perhaps we had turned the corner, and then right back when Reid declared the war lost.

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http://www.fairtax.org

Elminate all taxes on income and replace with a national sales tax.

I'm not being sarcastic. Dubya hasn't got a clue about what the needs of the military are.

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004