So you're saying a few words have a bigger impact on our troops than an entire strategy? That does go in-line with neocon thinking. After all, Dubya has discarded miltary tactics for rhetoric.

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"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

Laughable at best.

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Democrats have been out to sabotauge this war from the beginning. Once you understand this you understand the motives behind Reid publicly saying the war is lost. The Democrats have gone all in on defeat, they can't turn back now.

Varus

You're very funny, in a scary sort of way.

Yeah, like that's been said so many times... Is this a strawman, hyperbole or ad hominem or just plain old bullshit? I get confused with all the different wacky tactics people use to prevent them from having to discuss the actual issues.

He misleads liar lovers, he doesn't mislead me!

That's crap.

Funny though, because you've used the argument that the Democrats voted for the war at the beginning. Did their votes sabotage the war?

I Can't Stand It I Know You Planned It
But I'm Gonna Set It Straight, This Watergate
I Can't Stand Rocking When I'm In Here
Because Your Crystal Ball Ain't So Crystal Clear
So While You Sit Back And Wonder Why
I Got This Fucking Thorn In My Side
Oh My God, It's A Mirage
I'm Tellin' Y'all It's Sabotage

Su,Su,Su, So Listen Up 'Cause You Can't Say Nothin'
You'll Shut Me Down With A Push Of Your Button
But I'm Out And I'm Gone
I'll Tell You Now I Keep It On And On

"Cause What You See You Might Not Get
And We Can Bet So Don't You Get Souped Yet
You're Scheming On A Thing That's A Mirage
I'm Trying To Tell You Now It's Sabotage
Why; Our Backs Are Now Against The Wall
Listen All Of Y'all It's A Sabotage
Listen All Of Y'all It's A Sabotage
Listen All Of Y'all It's A Sabotage

Beastie Boyzzzz

I'll support them by buying them phone cards, donating goods and money to prepare care packages for them, but I'll be damned if I'm going to support this asinine war that Bush has gotten us into!

What do you call the Surge strategy, which has so far been succesful? Wars are fought on many fronts, both psychological and physical. We are not winning the psychological war due to the liberals quest for power.

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jviehe you drink WAY too much kool aid!

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We both know the liberals are doing everything in their power to see the war effort fail; and they're getting plenty of support from the liberal media. They want us out of this war before the next election because they know if the war continues they stand no chance. They're willing to put this country at risk if there's even the remote possibility they might have a president elected.

Varus

You're a covert operative from the Daily Show aren't you? Dan Bakkedahl is that you?

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"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

Oh, I wouldn't bet on that.

If the war continues through the next election, the battle-cry of the Democrats will be "Bush couldn't get us out", and they'll be right. In fact, Republicans would probably fare better at the polls if the war is over before the election.

If the war is still going on in November 2008, there's going to be an absolute blood-letting of the Republican party...

Another short-sighted view.

Anyone who thinks that the Democrats have only a remote chance of having a President elected needs to step away from the Kool Aid pitcher and take a look around. Republicans are starting to distance themselves from the idea that we need to maintain the status quo in Iraq.

If things remain the same, I'd predict a Democratic landslide victory...

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Interesting argument. I'd like to address it as I don't think I've seen this before as a rationale for the war.

I agree that protecting one's interests could be a valid reason for war under exceptional circumstances. I don't believe the Iraqi oil was in danger of being cut off in 2003 however. Even if it was, a diplomatic solution could have gotten the job done and I don't mean some flimsy UN resolution.

Keeping the US status as a superpower is extremely important for the sustainable development of human kind in my opinion. I don't think that power was being threatened however. Iran and NK are far more threatening to the US than Iraq ever was. I'd also argue that the occupation has weakened the US substantially.

If I may ask you to clarify your rationale further it would be appreciated.

Ok so how does one measure this? What you have stated is not a measurable goal. It has got to be a lot more in depth with constant smaller goals leading up to the big goal. Not a huge clusterfuck and then hoping to eventually make it to the big goal.

Right, but congress "represents" the people...theoretically.


No matter how bad it is for the country?

Well I think the president has already failed in the strategy department. The american people want change and that is what congress is reflecting.

And congress confirmed Rumsfelds replacement, fully knowing what he intended to do, which is continue the fight. Doesnt that indicate they support it? And yes, congress represents the people, so they are equally accountable to the people, not to Bush, and vice versa. As for specific military goals, they are well laid out and measured in the constant military brefings and stability reports to congress. Here is the latest.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...mar2007-01.htm

The problem, as always, is that you liberals get your information soley from the press and preferred pundits, and therefore miss out on the primary source material out there. Just because CNN doesnt report it, doesnt mean it didnt happen.

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I read until here and then I knew you weren't capable of any serious thought.