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Rakkasan · #76 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007

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Originally Posted by conformfailure

Rak, don't use the word freedom if you don't understand the meaning.

Freedom, to me, means exactly that - freedom.

The way you use the word freedom is the bad way. You use it to propel your idea of nationalism. It's American Freedom you're talking about, and it has nothing to do with the actual meaning itself.

I blame Bush and the Bushbots for completely wrecking a good word - Freedom.

It has a ring to it and when one understands the meaning of freedom - it opens the mind to completely new ideas.

Your word 'freedom' means American domination. It's the American jingle for blind senseless nationalism. There are parts of America that embraces freedom, in the true sense, but for the most part, the word itself has been used to perverse nationalism by contending any action we do is in the name of a good cause - freedom.

Why are we in Iraq? Freedom

Why must we be spied on? Freedom

Why must all Americans foolishly follow the C-in-C without question? Freedom

Why do we kill many people in far away lands? Freedom

Why do some Americans refused to be spied on? because they hate freedom.

Your entire world is upside-down. Yes, it's not us that's upside-down, it's you.

Rak, learn and understand the definition of the word freedom. Once you do, you will realize that the word doesn't apply to any of those questions.

I disagree IMO you and people like you see freedom more as ANARCHY

freedom requires some form of governement and controls to make it do able

if not this country would tear itself apart in a NY minute

but nice rant , it sounded good but falls flat ............

Americano · #77 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007

I'm surprised none of the many military groupies who post here brought up DoD's celebration of wiretap day by blocking soldier access to MySpace, YouTube and other sites.

AGORAVOX - The Citizen Media

From the article:

~Soldiers serving overseas will lose some of their online links to friends and loved ones back home under a U.S. Department of Defense policy that a high-ranking Army official said would take effect Monday.

The Defense Department will begin blocking access world-wide to YouTube, MySpace and 11 other popular Web sites on its computers and networks, according to a memo sent Friday by Gen. B.B. Bell, the U.S. Forces Korea commander.

The policy is being implemented to protect information and improve security, as well as reduce drag on the department’s networks. “This recreational traffic impacts our official DoD network and bandwidth ability, while posing a significant operational security challenge,” Gen. Bell said in the memo.~

Spending $8B a month on Iraq and Internet bandwidth is a problem? Security challenge with NSA at the wheel?

Shouldn't be any big deal to the groupies as they seem to believe whatever the government determines is in their best interests is fine with them.

pramjockey · #78 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007

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Originally Posted by Rakkasan

I disagree IMO you and people like you see freedom more as ANARCHY

freedom requires some form of governement and controls to make it do able

if not this country would tear itself apart in a NY minute

but nice rant , it sounded good but falls flat ............

Wow. You completely missed the point. While I agree that some form of government is necessary to protect freedoms, searching through your private information is not how this is accomplished. What you're asking for isn't freedom, it's authoritarianism.

MattLarson · #79 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007

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Originally Posted by Americano

I'm surprised none of the many military groupies who post here brought up DoD's celebration of wiretap day by blocking soldier access to MySpace, YouTube and other sites.

Actually, there is an entire thread on it.

Military blocks MySpace, YouTube, MTV, Photobucket, and more...

So if you wish to discuss that, please go to the proper thread.

Matt

Ash · #80 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

Wow. You completely missed the point. While I agree that some form of government is necessary to protect freedoms, searching through your private information is not how this is accomplished. What you're asking for isn't freedom, it's authoritarianism.

I agree with this 100%. Reading our mail (electronic or otherwise) is a draconian breach of our privacy imo.

moon · #81 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007

Rakkasan;

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the only reason people get upset over things like this

is due to the fact that they have things to hide!!!!!

That's exactly right. We have things to hide.

Anybody wanting to dig into those things is going to be a very sorry snoop.

Anybody that doesn't have something to hide is either under two years old or an immature idiot.

MattLarson · #82 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007

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Originally Posted by Ash

I agree with this 100%. Reading our mail (electronic or otherwise) is a draconian breach of our privacy imo.

Your mail, electronic or otherwise, has been readable (with a search warrant) for many years.

Matt

Thematic-Device · #83 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

Your mail, electronic or otherwise, has been readable (with a search warrant) for many years.

Matt

Whats in the parentheses is what has been changing over the last few years with republicans cheering it all the way.

MattLarson · #84 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007

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Originally Posted by Thematic-Device

Whats in the parentheses is what has been changing over the last few years with republicans cheering it all the way.

And other republicans speaking out against it.

ViolaLee · #85 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

And other republicans speaking out against it.

But not enough to put a stop to it.

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