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Re: Less Than 0.01% Of Homeland Security Cases Are Terrorism Related

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I bet a lot of trumped up fake terrorism cases are still pending that we've never even heard about. I mean besides conjuring up fake threats to the Sears tower or creating fright about tunnels in Boston getting attacked, the DHS doesn't really do anything besides waste tax payer dollars. Did we really need a whole new cabinet level department just so that the FBI and CIA could share info?
I bet there is only a very small amount of fake charges.

I bet there are also several real charges that we don't know about. Like real threats to the same areas that you state. But that's all classified, I'm sure, so we won't know.

I do know that they go to alot of labs (LANL, LLNL, SNL and more) and gather alot of real intel. So for the 1 or 2 bad things that happen, there are thousands or more good things that they do.
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Re: Less Than 0.01% Of Homeland Security Cases Are Terrorism Related

This article only supports what I've always felt, and that which EricOKC says here - it is redundant and needs to be scrapped. The government is getting too damn big already.
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I bet there is only a very small amount of fake charges.

I bet there are also several real charges that we don't know about. Like real threats to the same areas that you state. But that's all classified, I'm sure, so we won't know.

I do know that they go to alot of labs (LANL, LLNL, SNL and more) and gather alot of real intel. So for the 1 or 2 bad things that happen, there are thousands or more good things that they do.
It would have been far more efficient and cost effective to drop a nuke or two on some uninhabited (or sparsely inhabited) sections of the middle east and given all of the nations 72 hours to produce the individuals responsible before turning the entire region to slag - starting with Mecca.

Harsh? Yep. Effective? Yep.

But instead, to keep people like Carter and Clinton from looking like the abject failures they truly were, we have to further restrict and endanger the rights of Americans lest we upset a bunch of sheep- and goat-fucking morons with a 12th-century mentality.
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Re: Less Than 0.01% Of Homeland Security Cases Are Terrorism Related

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I bet there is only a very small amount of fake charges.

I bet there are also several real charges that we don't know about. Like real threats to the same areas that you state. But that's all classified, I'm sure, so we won't know.

I do know that they go to alot of labs (LANL, LLNL, SNL and more) and gather alot of real intel. So for the 1 or 2 bad things that happen, there are thousands or more good things that they do.
You mean like the crap that the FBI and CIA were already doing?

Looks like the creation of DHS was something done as a reaction to paranoia sprinkled with poor planning.
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While I agree with your above posting, I can't help but think that the FBI and CIA have admittedly confessed to not working together.
They still don't and never will regardless of how many bureaucrats or political appointees are piled on top for reporting purposes. They were two different agencies with separate mandates until the CIA almost crossed current administration plans regarding Iraq with truth. Now most US embassies have not only CIA attached to them, FBI offices are right down the hall. Current administration has created the largest government growth in history, which always diminishes government effectiveness in direct proportion to growth as the CYA government philosophy expands itself.
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They still don't and never will regardless of how many bureaucrats or political appointees are piled on top for reporting purposes. They were two different agencies with separate mandates until the CIA almost crossed current administration plans regarding Iraq with truth. Now most US embassies have not only CIA attached to them, FBI offices are right down the hall. Current administration has created the largest government growth in history, which always diminishes government effectiveness in direct proportion to growth as the CYA government philosophy expands itself.
Why people think that the way to fix ANY perceived problem is to put yet another layer of bureaucracy on top of it in an effort to "streamline" it or "enhance" communication is beyond me.

Correction - HOW they can think that is beyond me. I really, sincerely cannot comprehend the mentality which believes that another layer of complexity is a GOOD thing.
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You mean like the crap that the FBI and CIA were already doing?

Looks like the creation of DHS was something done as a reaction to paranoia sprinkled with poor planning.
Except for the fact that they couldn't share information with each other.

Think the DHS was really created that fast? Don't you think that it was years in the making? There's no way that agency could be dreamed up and set up as fast as it was, without many years of forethought.
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You mean like the crap that the FBI and CIA were already doing?
Can you provide evidence of this crap you speak of?
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Except for the fact that they couldn't share information with each other.

Think the DHS was really created that fast? Don't you think that it was years in the making? There's no way that agency could be dreamed up and set up as fast as it was, without many years of forethought.
You're kidding right? I mean, you cant possibly SERIOUSLY think that all of us have no memory of the past 6 years, can you?
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They still don't and never will regardless of how many bureaucrats or political appointees are piled on top for reporting purposes. They were two different agencies with separate mandates until the CIA almost crossed current administration plans regarding Iraq with truth. Now most US embassies have not only CIA attached to them, FBI offices are right down the hall. Current administration has created the largest government growth in history, which always diminishes government effectiveness in direct proportion to growth as the CYA government philosophy expands itself.
The truth is; "The two had to coexist together" and "share information"....They didn't, so people should have been fired.

It had nothing to do with the current admin, the problem(s) have been there for years. I'll give Bush credit for at least trying to correct the problem, I do however disagree with how it was handled.
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Re: Less Than 0.01% Of Homeland Security Cases Are Terrorism Related

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Except for the fact that they couldn't share information with each other.

Think the DHS was really created that fast? Don't you think that it was years in the making? There's no way that agency could be dreamed up and set up as fast as it was, without many years of forethought.
By presidential order means an open checkbook and that means enormous bureaucratic and political opportunity. It only took as long as it took the memos to be issued and funds released.
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The truth is; "The two had to coexist together" and "share information"....They didn't, so people should have been fired.

It had nothing to do with the current admin, the problem(s) have been there for years. I'll give Bush credit for at least trying to correct the problem, I do however disagree with how it was handled.
Share information that crossed over based on their individual mandates. Essentially no foreign operations for the FBI and no domestic operations for CIA. All current administration did was muddy the water because the CIA didn't immediately cower down to administration demands to make Iraq appear a member of their infamous axis of evil based on contrived information. So they gutted the CIA and put a new layer of bureaucracy on top to make sure no information ever leaked that might damage their soon to be soiled image.
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Can you provide evidence of this crap you speak of?
You want me to provide evidence that the FBI and CIA are currently engaged in classified operations? Sorry, you'll have to ask Bush to leak that info.
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You're kidding right? I mean, you cant possibly SERIOUSLY think that all of us have no memory of the past 6 years, can you?
What does the past 6 years have to do with how long it takes to create a new agency like the DHS. Your reply is a little confusing.

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By presidential order means an open checkbook and that means enormous bureaucratic and political opportunity. It only took as long as it took the memos to be issued and funds released.
LMAO! You think the government creates an agency in just a few months? You think the government works that fast?
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The truth is; "The two had to coexist together" and "share information"....They didn't, so people should have been fired.

It had nothing to do with the current admin, the problem(s) have been there for years. I'll give Bush credit for at least trying to correct the problem, I do however disagree with how it was handled.
Yes, for many years and some administrations made it worse, but none, until W, tried to make it any better. Again, it's not perfect, but it is making the intel agencies alot more efficient. I'm not sure what it is that others want out of DHS, but I do know that the intel community have sure bennefitted.

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You want me to provide evidence that the FBI and CIA are currently engaged in classified operations? Sorry, you'll have to ask Bush to leak that info.
Then how can you say that they already were sharing info, if you have no proof of it?
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