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Old 05-28-2007
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Less Than 0.01% Of Homeland Security Cases Are Terrorism Related

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Records obtained from the immigration courts under the Freedom of Information Act show that only 0.0015 percent of the total number of cases filed by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security were terrorism related, despite the fact that the Bush administration has repeatedly asserted that it is the primary focus of the DHS.
Less Than 0.01% Of Homeland Security Cases Are Terrorism Related

Hehe, pretty quick. It's just about 100% secret police since the department was created just a few years back.

It's a waste of resources and the Department is bunk.

Disband Homeland Security. Let the FBI continue to do what it has been doing all along. The FBI is controversial enough, we don't need another department to overlap their problems and controversies.
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Old 05-29-2007
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Re: Less Than 0.01% Of Homeland Security Cases Are Terrorism Related

U.S. Border Patrol was absorbed by DHS. It's a big 'duh'.
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Re: Less Than 0.01% Of Homeland Security Cases Are Terrorism Related

To give you a quick overview, DHS's responsibility is not solely terrorism. It's main function is to allow several 3 letter agencies to share information with each other without jeopardizing ongoing investigations. It use to be that the FBI and CIA would not and could not share ANY information at all. Now they can, through the DHS. Also, the DHS is an umbrella, if you will, that oversees many of these agencies.

It is hardly a waste of resources or "bunk". It actually serves a very good purpose especially in the intel arena.
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Re: Less Than 0.01% Of Homeland Security Cases Are Terrorism Related

I agree with bigTlilODD for the most part. This department should have been kept small and limited to the simple sharing of information between the various intel. departments. This was pointed out as being the largest failure prior to the 9/11 attack, and even during it, when the air traffic controllers knew about the hijackings but the air force was not notified in a reasonable amount of time.

Also things like FEMA, for example, should not have been rolled into it, and many of DHS' current duties should never have been given to them in the first place. They should just be there to share information between the different agencies, and perhaps not necessarily even act on it themselves so as there is not total control by any one department.
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I agree with bigTlilODD for the most part. This department should have been kept small and limited to the simple sharing of information between the various intel. departments. This was pointed out as being the largest failure prior to the 9/11 attack, and even during it, when the air traffic controllers knew about the hijackings but the air force was not notified in a reasonable amount of time.

Also things like FEMA, for example, should not have been rolled into it, and many of DHS' current duties should never have been given to them in the first place. They should just be there to share information between the different agencies, and perhaps not necessarily even act on it themselves so as there is not total control by any one department.
Yes, it should stay as a liason between the agencies, if you will. And yes, FEMA should not be a part of it. They should work with FEMA, in the event of a disaster that was caused by terrorism, but it should not fall under DHS.
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Re: Less Than 0.01% Of Homeland Security Cases Are Terrorism Related

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To give you a quick overview, DHS's responsibility is not solely terrorism. It's main function is to allow several 3 letter agencies to share information with each other without jeopardizing ongoing investigations. It use to be that the FBI and CIA would not and could not share ANY information at all. Now they can, through the DHS. Also, the DHS is an umbrella, if you will, that oversees many of these agencies.

It is hardly a waste of resources or "bunk". It actually serves a very good purpose especially in the intel arena.
Perhaps, but when Bush signed the DHS ACT, three of the five funtions he mentioned for the department involved terrorism.

I've long mentioned that the Department of Pork Security be disbanded.
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Less Than 0.01% Of Homeland Security Cases Are Terrorism Related

Hehe, pretty quick. It's just about 100% secret police since the department was created just a few years back.

It's a waste of resources and the Department is bunk.

Disband Homeland Security. Let the FBI continue to do what it has been doing all along. The FBI is controversial enough, we don't need another department to overlap their problems and controversies.
I'm not sure exactly what the small percentage of terrorism cases shows as it's likely that they are inundated with immigration cases which makes the terrorism cases look small in comparison.

However, don't we all know the system is broken? They need to improve DHS either way. If they pass the new immigration law, it's DHS that will need to enforce it, right?

For sure, there will need to be a large amount of accountability and competency in the DHS.
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Perhaps, but when Bush signed the DHS ACT, three of the five funtions he mentioned for the department involved terrorism.

I've long mentioned that the Department of Pork Security be disbanded.
Yes it is a function and is a big function. But they do more than most people know about.

Look at the OP again...

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only 0.0015 percent of the total number of cases filed by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security were terrorism related
Note that it says "cases filed". That would mean the investigation is over on those cases and they can be prosecuted. Which would mean that there are probably a few more that are still pending. Have a guess on how many that might be?
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Re: Less Than 0.01% Of Homeland Security Cases Are Terrorism Related

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I'm not sure exactly what the small percentage of terrorism cases shows as it's likely that they are inundated with immigration cases which makes the terrorism cases look small in comparison.

However, don't we all know the system is broken? They need to improve DHS either way. If they pass the new immigration law, it's DHS that will need to enforce it, right?

For sure, there will need to be a large amount of accountability and competency in the DHS.
Can you tell us how DHS is broken? And how it can be fixed.
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Re: Less Than 0.01% Of Homeland Security Cases Are Terrorism Related

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Can you tell us how DHS is broken?
Its very existence. It is of questionable legality and serves a redundant purpose.
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And how it can be fixed.
Abolishing it.
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Its very existence. It is of questionable legality and serves a redundant purpose.

Abolishing it.
So, you are against agencies sharing information? Information that MAY (please note that I said MAY) have been usefull in possibly preventing the WTC attacks on Sept. 11 2001?

Again, it serves many purposes and is still young. It does have wrinkles, but far from unimportant or illegal.
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Re: Less Than 0.01% Of Homeland Security Cases Are Terrorism Related

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So, you are against agencies sharing information?
That is hardly what I said.

You asked how DHS was broken and how to fix it, and I gave my opinon.
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Information that MAY (please note that I said MAY) have been usefull in possibly preventing the WTC attacks on Sept. 11 2001?
Perhaps had President Carter not been such a cock-sucking pansy, and had actually done his damned job we wouldnt have had 9/11 in the first place, but hey, why let reality enter into the picture when your own bullshit to support further government involvment in our lives suits you so much better.

The cause of 9/11 was not a failure to share information between agencies, it was not a lack of a single agency tasked with "homeland security", it was none of the reasons given. Ultimately the cause was a bunch of worthless ragheads who had been convinced by our repeated INACTION that they could get their way if they killed a few Americans.

Between Carter failing to properly address the hostage taking incident, Bush Sr. failing to finish the job with Saddam, Clinton ignoring attack after attack, and Bush Jr. not irradiating a good chunk of the middle east on 9/12/2001, Islamic morons have been taught to ignore the reputation of strength which America spent 2 centuries building.
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Again, it serves many purposes and is still young.
Name one which wasnt already served by a different agency and which the federal government is constitutionally permitted to do.
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It does have wrinkles, but far from unimportant or illegal.
Its totally redundant and of questionable legality. Nice to know YOU support it though. I'm sure you will be rewarded by the Party.
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Re: Less Than 0.01% Of Homeland Security Cases Are Terrorism Related

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Yes it is a function and is a big function. But they do more than most people know about.

Look at the OP again...

Note that it says "cases filed". That would mean the investigation is over on those cases and they can be prosecuted. Which would mean that there are probably a few more that are still pending. Have a guess on how many that might be?
I bet a lot of trumped up fake terrorism cases are still pending that we've never even heard about. I mean besides conjuring up fake threats to the Sears tower or creating fright about tunnels in Boston getting attacked, the DHS doesn't really do anything besides waste tax payer dollars. Did we really need a whole new cabinet level department just so that the FBI and CIA could share info?

EDIT: Let's not forget the lovely color coded system that was hyped up to scare the neocon base.
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Re: Less Than 0.01% Of Homeland Security Cases Are Terrorism Related

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Perhaps had President Carter not been such a cock-sucking pansy, and had actually done his damned job we wouldnt have had 9/11 in the first place, but hey, why let reality enter into the picture when your own bullshit to support further government involvment in our lives suits you so much better.

The cause of 9/11 was not a failure to share information between agencies, it was not a lack of a single agency tasked with "homeland security", it was none of the reasons given. Ultimately the cause was a bunch of worthless ragheads who had been convinced by our repeated INACTION that they could get their way if they killed a few Americans.

Between Carter failing to properly address the hostage taking incident, Bush Sr. failing to finish the job with Saddam, Clinton ignoring attack after attack, and Bush Jr. not irradiating a good chunk of the middle east on 9/12/2001, Islamic morons have been taught to ignore the reputation of strength which America spent 2 centuries building.
While I agree with your above posting, I can't help but think that the FBI and CIA have admittedly confessed to not working together.
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Re: Less Than 0.01% Of Homeland Security Cases Are Terrorism Related

As for Homeland Security in general; I think we had enough personnel to do the job.....We just needed the right people, audit what we've had, and "FIRE" those who didn't do their duties.
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