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Interesting ads - looks like a holocaust denial site -
There we go with the 'H'-word! Sadly, if you actually bothered to perform any basic research on Dr. Finkelstein you would have learned his parents survived the Nazi-camps. However, it is easier for Zionists to weasel out of a debate by calling people anti-semites or bringing up the Holocaust in even UNRELATED issues!

Do you have a refutation of Dr. Finkelstein's claims regarding Israel or should be expect more appeals to emotion with your 'holocaust' references?

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I think that phrase pretty much establishes your frame of mind. :drool
And you remind me of a Zionist fanatic who cries about holocausts when he cannot make an intelligent refutation of an argument as if the dreaded 'H' word somehow negates all legitimate arguments against Israel. You ignored every point I made but chose to comment solely on my usage of the term "alleged" in front of "gas chambers."

This speaks volumes about your frame of mind.
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Interesting ads - looks like a holocaust denial site -



Preface to German edition of The Rise and Fall of Palestine

Postscript to German edition of The Rise and Fall of Palestine

Will THE HOLOCAUST INDUSTRY Incite Anti-Semitism?

Lessons of Holocaust Compensation

Thought Police At Work



And here is the reality -
Jewish Life in an Increasingly Muslim Europe
January 31, 2004

In a caustic piece last month titled "A French Lesson for Tom Harkin," I noted that due to the hostility coming from the Muslim population of France, nearly half of the country's sizeable Jewish population is considering emigration. In this space, I shall provide occasional updates, in reverse chronological order, on the reasons why Jews of Europe, having survived the Holocaust, again worry about their future.

Belgian Jewish group attacked by Turks: Sixty or so teenage Hasidic Jews from Antwerp, out on a trip, were attacked on Nov. 30 in the town of Beringen. The MSM ignored the incident for three days. The blog "Islam in Europe" has stitched together this account:

The incident started when a group of Orthodox Jewish kids ages 13-15 came with several adult escorts to the town in order to spend the weekend. The kids had spent the day having fun and had come to Beringen to sleep over at a youth hostel [in a largely Muslim neighborhood, adds the JTA]. Once the kids stepped out of the buses, they were immediately attacked by a group of Turks who threw stones at them and yelled anti-Semitic slurs. The Jewish kids took cover in an inner corridor of the youth hostel. The Turks threw stones and concrete blocks, breaking dozens of windows in various buildings. Glass and stone fragments littered the floor and beds.

The police showed up but the violence continued for about another hour. Even after police managed to get things under control, the Turkish youth kept hanging round the building. The police informed the organizers of the trip that they could not guarantee the safety of the children and at that the organizers decided to cut short the trip and the group returned to Antwerp [accompanied to the highway by a police escort, adds the JTA]. Ten people were arrested later on, among them six minors and four adults.

(Dec. 5, 2006)

Norwegian Jews warned to lie low: After a man wearing a yarmulke was assaulted on an Oslo street on July 22, the Jewish communal body in Norway, called the Mosaic Religious Community, issued an advisory urging Jews to be discreet. "We have encouraged our members to avoid speaking Hebrew loudly on the street," Anne Sender told the newspaper Vårt Land. To Norwegian Broadcasting she suggested that men reconsider wearing a yarmulke. Despire these warnings, Sender stressed that "the situation for Jews in Norway is better than it has been for a long time." (July 20, 2006)


Denial of Antisemitism: It's horrible enough that Moshe Yitzchak Naeh, 26, a Hasidic Jew, synagogue sexton, and the father of four, was shot in the head and killed while walking down the street in Antwerp early in the morning on Nov. 18. The fact that Naeh was carrying a considerable sum of money (€1,400) which was not stolen, plus that he had no known criminal connections and was walking near a predominantly Muslim area all pointed to the crime being anti-Jewish in nature. That, however, is not what the Belgian authorities have concluded. "There are no signs that racism was involved," stated Dominique Reyniers, a spokeswoman for the Antwerp prosecutor's office. (Nov. 20, 2004)

Moving to Israel: The New York Times reports that "The Jewish Agency, the quasi-governmental body responsible for settling immigrants, reported a doubling in the number of French Jews who arrived last year and in 2002, to more than 2,000 each year, compared with about 1,000 a year in the previous three years. By contrast, worldwide immigration to Israel has sharply declined during the Arab-Israeli violence." (July 4, 2004)

Only Jewish student: Today's International Herald Tribune recounts how the only Jewish student in a French public school outside Paris with a large Muslim minority stopped eating and had nightmares due to the incessant insults and attacks against her, until she and her mother moved to the south of France, where the 13-year-old enrolled in a new school. (Feb. 10, 2004)

"Teacher told to drop Star of David": That's the headline in Norway's Aftenposten. Curiously, the teacher in question, Inge Telhaug is not a Jew but wears a 16-millimeter (0.6-inch) Magen David around his neck, usually under a T-shirt, as a religious symbol: "I see it as the oldest religious symbol we have in our culture, because without Judaism there would be no Christianity." But he was informed by Kjell Gislefoss, principal of the Kristiansand Adult Education Center, where he teaches immigrants about the Norwegian language and culture, that wearing the star could be deemed a provocation towards the many Muslim students at the school. "The Star of David would be a symbol for one side in what is perhaps the world's most inflamed conflict at the moment. Many [students] have a traumatic past that they have escaped and then we feel that if they are going to learn Norwegian then they can't sit and at the same time be reminded of the things they have traveled from." Telhaug refuses to acquiesce and has hired a lawyer. Heidi Hauge Uldal, head of the Education Association in Kristiansand, deemed the school's decision "unacceptable." (Feb. 5, 2004)

Death Chants: During a Belgium-Israel football game on January 28, 2004, reports Le Soir (Brussels), Muslim fans pulled out Hamas and Hezbollah flags, then cried out "Jews to the gas chamber!" "Death to Jews!" and "Strangle the Jews!" To make matters worse, a Belgian soccer player named Mustapha Toukouki, is said to have encouraged these chants. (Jan. 31, 2004)


There's plenty more where this came from - but I imagine that's really your goal. Jewish Life in an Increasingly Muslim Europe [Weblog] - Daniel Pipes
Pure drivel. I can compile a similarly sordid list about antisemitism in the US, so cut the crap already.
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Re: Boycott of Israeli academe backed by UK union.

alleged gas chambers = alleged attack on 9/11=alleged bombing of pearl harbor=alleged bombing of hiroshima=alleged japanese detention camps.......

There is no point in debating someone who refuses to recognize that there is such a thing as absolute truth and reality. We have no common frame of reference. I have history while you have delusions.
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Whatever befell Europe's minorities in the 1940s is no excuse for Zionist persecution of Palestinians. It's as simple as that, hence the suggested boycott.
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Whatever befell Europe's minorities in the 1940s is no excuse for Zionist persecution of Palestinians. It's as simple as that, hence the suggested boycott.
I see. I'll add another person to the "alleged gas chambers" group.
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alleged gas chambers = alleged attack on 9/11=alleged bombing of pearl harbor=alleged bombing of hiroshima=alleged japanese detention camps.......

There is no point in debating someone who refuses to recognize that there is such a thing as absolute truth and reality. We have no common frame of reference. I have history while you have delusions.
In other words there is no point debating someone you cannot refute in a debate on actual facts. Since the 'H'-word has nothing to do with this debate your objection is a non-sequitur but you already know that. In fact you should be ashamed of yourself for using the holocaust card as a means to gain an upperhand in a debate about a boycott of Israel; talk about exploiting a tragedy!

Using the holocaust card is merely a classless way of admitting that you have no argument, rebuttal or rational refutation to my claims and to Dr. Finkelstein's claims...
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Actual facts? How is this for one - the gas chambers were not "alleged".

You brought the holocaust in by posting a link to a holocaust denial site - as for shame - the gas chambers were real and 11 million people died.



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In other words there is no point debating someone you cannot refute in a debate on actual facts. Since the 'H'-word has nothing to do with this debate your objection is a non-sequitur but you already know that. In fact you should be ashamed of yourself for using the holocaust card as a means to gain an upperhand in a debate about a boycott of Israel; talk about exploiting a tragedy!

Using the holocaust card is merely a classless way of admitting that you have no argument, rebuttal or rational refutation to my claims and to Dr. Finkelstein's claims...
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Whatever befell Europe's minorities in the 1940s is no excuse for Zionist persecution of Palestinians. It's as simple as that, hence the suggested boycott.
Israel didn`t prosecute Palestinians.
Don`t confuse the prosecution of criminals and terrorists with the prosecution of the whole group. Israel only defends its borders.
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I said 'persecute'. ( It might have etymological roots in 'Perseus', and thus be an eponym, but I'm not entirely certain. Sorry for any unintended confusion )

Of course the Zionists persecute Palestinians, don't be absurd.

The 'protecting borders' canard hardly explains the shrinkage of Palestine , does it ? Of course not. That's a result of land-theft and ethnic cleansing. Persecution.

Describe how it is not.


You think people go around organising boycotts against rogue States because they are defending themselves ? Mein Got Im Himmel!

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The African National Congress (ANC) is an influential organization in South Africa. Founded in 1912, it was one of the primary forces that pressed for racial equality in South Africa. After nearly 50 years of nonviolent protest, the ANC adopted terrorist tactics in the early 1960s. ANC terrorism would continue until the group was legalized in 1990. Following the group’s legalization, ANC and its famous jailed member Nelson Mandela pushed for the final abolishment of apartheid.

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The South Africans achieved nothing until they gave back to their oppressors a taste of the violence they had received. Today, world leaders falls over themselves to shake the 'bloody' hand of Mandela, a 'terrorist' leader.

It is only the greed and stupidity of Western administrations that creates the Palestinian bantusans and invites violence. That much is evident to everybody, even dyed-in-the-wool Zionists.

The boycotts helped the oppressed South Africans and more boycotts can help the oppressed Palestinians. The boycotts, should they be decided upon, should be deep and wide-ranging, covering all aspects of Israeli society so that nobody is in any doubt that ALL Israelis know what is happening in Palestine. Ignorance will be no excuse.

They should particularly apply to Israeli academe . Whereas nobody really expects a boycott to impress a professional Zionist stormtrooper, everybody expects a reaction from Israeli academics.

Any publicity is good.

WAKE UP ISRAEL ! Because if the boycotts take hold it will mean that WE CAN DO WITHOUT YOU !
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The viewpoint from a Palestinian university.

( Yes, the Palestinians have a university )


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'We are under siege'


Conal Urquhart reports from Bir Zeit University on the West Bank, where moves to discuss an academic boycott of Israel have been welcomed

Wednesday June 20, 2007
EducationGuardian.co.uk

Lisa Taraki, dean of graduate studies at Bir Zeit University, is puzzled by the uproar caused by the University and College Union's decision to discuss a boycott of Israeli academics.

"There has been a great hue and cry about the academic freedom of Israelis as if the academic freedom of Palestinians is of no consequence. The Israelis are not interested in academic freedom, they are interested in the protection of their own privileges," she said.

She has taught at the institution for 30 years and cannot remember a time when Israel did anything but try to suppress Palestinian education.


'We are under siege' | Worldwide | EducationGuardian.co.uk
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British union passes anti-Israel motion


Britain's biggest public services union called for international sanctions against Israel.

The motion adopted by UNISON Wednesday at its annual conference wants the sanctions on Israel until it withdraws from all territories captured in 1967, removes the security barrier and establishes a Palestinian state with its capital in Jerusalem.


http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/102577.html
YAY ! A small beginning, people taking up the torch where 'statesmen' have failed.
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Text of the UNISON motion to begin the campaign to boycott Israel.


Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign: UNISON confirms UK Boycott Drive


UNISON confirms UK Boycott Drive
Worldwide Activism, Palestinian grassroots Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign, June 21st, 2007

UNISON has strengthened and reconfirmed its support for the Palestinian call for boycott, divestment and sanctions at this year’s National Delegate Conference.

The union is one of the country’s biggest labour organizations and represents 1.3 million National Health Service and other public service workers in the UK.


Text of the motion;

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UNISON National Delegate Conference 2007
Motion : AgendaID 053 - Palestine

Conference continues to consider that a just solution to the Palestine-Israel conflict must be based upon international law and Israel should:

1) withdraw to its 1949-67 borders;

2) allow the refugees of 1948 to return home;

3) remove all its settlements from the Occupied Palestinian Territories and Occupied Syrian Al-Joulan;

4) take down the Apartheid Wall; and

5) respect the Palestinian people's right to national self-determination and to establish a state in the West bank and the Gaza Strip with its capital in Jerusalem.

Conference notes that the Israeli occupation has now continued for 40 years. It welcomes the formation of the "Enough!" coalition to focus protest on this anniversary.

But Conference believes that ending the occupation demands concerted and sustained pressure upon Israel including an economic, cultural, academic and sporting boycott.

Conference condemns the economic sanctions imposed upon the Occupied Palestinian Territories following Palestinian Parliamentary Elections of 25 January 2006, which make worse the appalling economic circumstances of the occupation. It is a unique example of economic sanctions imposed, not upon an occupier, but upon a population struggling against illegal military occupation.

Conference instructs the National Executive Council to:

a) continue to campaign with the Palestine Solidarity Campaign and others as appropriate;

b) continue to develop capacity building projects with the Palestine General Federation of Trade Unions (PGFTU);

c) call upon the United Kingdom government to end the arms trade with Israel;

d) produce UNISON's own material on Palestine to build knowledge among members;

e) consider inviting a PGFTU delegation to tour regions;

f) seek ways to work with the Trades Union Congress (TUC) and other trade unions on the basis of the TUC 2006 Congress resolution;

g) raise the issue of Palestine with UNISON’s overseas partners and with international trade union federations with the aims of:

i) suspending the European Union/Israel Association Agreement; and

ii) a mandatory United Nations Arms Embargo on Israel of the kind the Security Council imposed on South Africa in 1977; and

h) encourage branches and regions to affiliate to the Palestine Solidarity Campaign (PSC), help build PSC branches and consider twinning with PGFTU organised public sector workers in Palestine.


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Major British workers' union joins moves to boycott Israel

Britain's Transport and General Workers' Union has called upon its 800,000 members to boycott Israeli-made products based on what they term Israel's "criminal policies in Palestinian territories."

The decision to call for a boycott, reached at a union conference in Brighton, is declarative and does not include concrete steps to implement the boycott.

The TGWU is the second British union to call for a boycott on Israel this year - last month the British public services union UNISON also urged its members to refrain from purchasing Israeli products, basing the call on Israel's "criminal behavior in the territories," and Israel's responsibility for the Second Lebanon War.
Nice one. Unions still have a powerful humanitarian component, evidently.

The T&G seems to be the Brits equivalents of the Teamsters.
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